[Swift-devel] Planning next set of Swift features and releases

[Ian Foster]

Hey,

It seems that we should schedule a get-together on these topics when  
Ben visits, and work out a plan that will meet CNARI needs. I'd enjoy  
joining that discussion.

Ian.


On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Michael Wilde wrote:

> When I last reviewed the provenance work it was in the form of notes  
> written by Ben.
>
> The queries were esoteric and based on hard to use IDs.
>
> It was a 15 page document and I never got the feedback out on it.
>
> It was still very experimental - which was certainly what I'd expect  
> at that state - but seemed still very disconnected from the user.
>
> Feedback was hard because I kept asking myself, do I need to read  
> this more carefully, or am I missing the way in which this is useful?
>
> So it lingered and got buried below more immediate things on my plate.
>
> Yes, my fault.
>
> On 4/22/09 9:13 AM, Ian Foster wrote:
>> Mike:
>> As I understand things, we've had a mechanism for storing and  
>> analyzing/viewing logs for some time. Also a mechanism for  
>> recording some basic provenance information. If the CNARI people  
>> view these features as very important, why aren't they working with  
>> what we have, and providing feedback?
>
> Because they dont have anything they can use.
> Sarah started looking at how to apply Ben's tools, but did not get  
> far enough to be able to give the end users anything of value.
>
> - Mike
>
>> Ian. On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Ben Clifford wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Michael Wilde wrote:
>>>
>>>> And we have a live and growing user group in OOPS who can benefit  
>>>> from
>>>> provenance as I stated on the list in the past week or two. (and  
>>>> who in fact
>>>> has built a simple web interface to view swift results)
>>>
>>> You repeatedly state that people want it. Ian repeatedly states that
>>> people want it. No one gives me feed back. Stop stating that  
>>> people want
>>> it and give me feed back.
>>>
>>> Who has written this web interface? Has it been discussed here?  
>>> Does it
>>> use the existing provenance data base? What is the project  
>>> management
>>> failure that has caused this work to happen in secret?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>