[Swift-devel] Planning next set of Swift features and releases

[Michael Wilde]

Yes.

But when we meet the consensus seems to often be that we should also 
work these issues incrementall on this list, and at the meetings do 
things that we need whiteboards and brainstorming for.

So lets keep pushing through these topics.

Should this list move soon to bugzilla?

Should discussion be via bugzilla at the point?

Maybe stay on this list for now???

On 4/22/09 9:42 AM, Ian Foster wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> It seems that we should schedule a get-together on these topics when Ben 
> visits, and work out a plan that will meet CNARI needs. I'd enjoy 
> joining that discussion.
> 
> Ian.
> 
> 
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Michael Wilde wrote:
> 
>> When I last reviewed the provenance work it was in the form of notes 
>> written by Ben.
>>
>> The queries were esoteric and based on hard to use IDs.
>>
>> It was a 15 page document and I never got the feedback out on it.
>>
>> It was still very experimental - which was certainly what I'd expect 
>> at that state - but seemed still very disconnected from the user.
>>
>> Feedback was hard because I kept asking myself, do I need to read this 
>> more carefully, or am I missing the way in which this is useful?
>>
>> So it lingered and got buried below more immediate things on my plate.
>>
>> Yes, my fault.
>>
>> On 4/22/09 9:13 AM, Ian Foster wrote:
>>> Mike:
>>> As I understand things, we've had a mechanism for storing and 
>>> analyzing/viewing logs for some time. Also a mechanism for recording 
>>> some basic provenance information. If the CNARI people view these 
>>> features as very important, why aren't they working with what we 
>>> have, and providing feedback?
>>
>> Because they dont have anything they can use.
>> Sarah started looking at how to apply Ben's tools, but did not get far 
>> enough to be able to give the end users anything of value.
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>>> Ian. On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Ben Clifford wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Michael Wilde wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And we have a live and growing user group in OOPS who can benefit from
>>>>> provenance as I stated on the list in the past week or two. (and 
>>>>> who in fact
>>>>> has built a simple web interface to view swift results)
>>>>
>>>> You repeatedly state that people want it. Ian repeatedly states that
>>>> people want it. No one gives me feed back. Stop stating that people 
>>>> want
>>>> it and give me feed back.
>>>>
>>>> Who has written this web interface? Has it been discussed here? Does it
>>>> use the existing provenance data base? What is the project management
>>>> failure that has caused this work to happen in secret?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
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