[AG-TECH] Possible enhancement for Toolkit

Randy Groves randy.groves at boeing.com
Fri Sep 10 14:53:18 CDT 2004


I totally understand about the Win2K support issue.  But I don't think that 
I'm the only one in the position of wanting to proselytize in an 
environment where XP is just now becoming an 'officially supported' 
OS.  Unfortunately, AG is not yet a 'driver' package ;-) - you can't 
justify putting XP on a box just because you want to run AG.

I see Win2K essentially in a similar position with the many Linux 
distributions.  Hopefully, until such time as something comes along that 
totally breaks AG on Win2K, I'm hoping that there will be some accumulated 
wisdom available that will condense the needed tweaks.  I'm willing to 
contribute any findings that I have to that wisdom, but I'm not in a 
position to coordinate that effort.

-randy

  At 07:57 PM 9/9/2004, Ivan R. Judson wrote:

>One other thing to mention; the reason we don't support win2k is that we
>don't run win2k anywhere. We're writing the toolkit in a way that we hope
>ensures no backward problems, but we are also leveraging the nice new
>features of the latest OS's.
>
>At some point it's likely we'll introduce a feature or bug that will disable
>the "accidental" backward compatibility that exists for platforms like win2k
>(this already happens on linux where old os's, ahem, RH7.X don't have python
>2.3.3+).
>
>We're more than happy for someone else to tinker with this and see if
>there's a reasonable solution, but we're not going to start adding support
>for legacy OS's; not unless someone wants to start paying us to do that --
>we've got enough interesting research moving forward.
>
>Cheers,
>
>--Ivan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Ivan R. Judson
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:01 PM
> > To: 'Randy Groves'; ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] Possible enhancement for Toolkit
> >
> >
> > The toolkit is already handling the case where the machine
> > has multiple network adapters; indeed almost all laptops have
> > both wireless and wired connections, mine which I use for
> > development has the following:
> >
> > NetWork Card(s):           3 NIC(s) Installed.
> >                            [01]: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
> > Connection
> >                                  Connection Name: Fast Ethernet
> >                                  Status:          Media disconnected
> >                            [02]: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2100
> > LAN 3B Mini PCI Adapter
> >                                  Connection Name: Wireless
> > Network Connection
> >                                  DHCP Enabled:    Yes
> >                                  DHCP Server:     10.0.1.65
> >                                  IP address(es)
> >                                  [01]: 10.0.1.17
> >                            [03]: Cisco Systems VPN Adapter
> >                                  Connection Name: MCS VPN
> >                                  DHCP Enabled:    No
> >                                  IP address(es)
> >                                  [01]: 140.221.18.114
> >
> > Plus, add the vmware interfaces, MS's fancy ipv4/ipv6
> > tunnels, teredo, et al and you'll find that on XP the toolkit
> > is doing quite a good job of working in the face of *many*
> > network interfaces ;)
> >
> > Here's my development desktop net interfaces:
> >
> > NetWork Card(s):           4 NIC(s) Installed.
> >                            [01]: 3Com 3C920 Integrated Fast
> > Ethernet Controller (3C905C-TX Compatible)
> >                                  Connection Name: Wired
> >                                  DHCP Enabled:    Yes
> >                                  DHCP Server:     140.221.11.6
> >                                  IP address(es)
> >                                  [01]: 140.221.34.71
> >                            [02]: VMware Virtual Ethernet
> > Adapter for VMnet1
> >                                  Connection Name: VMware
> > Network Adapter
> > VMnet1
> >                            [03]: VMware Virtual Ethernet
> > Adapter for VMnet8
> >                                  Connection Name: VMware
> > Network Adapter
> > VMnet8
> >                            [04]: 1394 Net Adapter
> >                                  Connection Name: 1394 Connection 2
> >                                  DHCP Enabled:    Yes
> >                                  DHCP Server:     N/A
> >                                  IP address(es)
> >
> > What kind of a feature are you looking for? What's the use
> > case you're experiencing? What problem are you trying to solve?
> >
> > --Ivan
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > > [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Randy Groves
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:38 PM
> > > To: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > > Subject: [AG-TECH] Possible enhancement for Toolkit
> > >
> > > My recent experience with the 'Microsoft TV/Video' network
> > connection
> > > brings to mind an enhancement.  It would be nice if, during the
> > > install (and maybe accessible later via a python script), if the
> > > Toolkit finds more than one network adaptor installed on
> > the machine,
> > > it would ask the installer which one it should use.  This
> > would have
> > > made it obvious in my case, but also would handle the case
> > where there
> > > REALLY is more than one network adaptor in a machine.  I know that
> > > I've also seen a 1394 network adaptor installed on various machines
> > > with FireWire adaptors.
> > >
> > > I will enter this in Bugzilla if it sounds like a good idea.
> > >
> > > -randy
> > >
> > >
> >
> >





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