[Swift-devel] Drop kickstart, adopt wrapper logs?

[Mihael Hategan]

Could be a decent weekend hack for me though.

On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 15:20 +0000, Ben Clifford wrote:
> Its on my todo list. Its below the event horizon though (that being the 
> line at which more prioritised things are arriving at a rate such that 
> this never rises and is instead sucked into the black hole of infinity) so 
> it won't get done. 
> 
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Ian Foster wrote:
> 
> > Mike:
> > 
> > There was an agreement a year or more ago that the VDS group would work with
> > the GRAM team on integration. I suspect it got dropped, but I wanted to check.
> > 
> > Ian.
> > 
> > On Jul 25, 2008, at 8:17 AM, Michael Wilde wrote:
> > 
> > > Im not aware of any work done in that direction.
> > > I would have to hunt back through emails for the last thing we said we would
> > > do.
> > > 
> > > Its been an often discussed topic, but one thats hard to move forward on.
> > > 
> > > The tradeoff is doing something that works well for swift, vs having a
> > > significantly larger and longer discussion on what would work for GRAM as
> > > well (and potentially Condor and ...)
> > > 
> > > One possibility is that we stay with a kickstart like architecture where
> > > kickstart is the last thing called to launch the app, and that becomes a
> > > separable component that can be used elsewhere. We do it in a way that its
> > > useful with GRAM and other systems, and which users can just use.
> > > 
> > > Then the discussion becomes mostly one of data format.
> > > There the two likely candidates are XML or name/value pairs, possibly in
> > > some other "standard" format, eg classads.
> > > 
> > > Another possibility is to emit an xml doc in a rigid format that doesnt need
> > > an xml parser to process it - sort of n/v pairs in xml. This gets
> > > complicated with multiline and escape issues of course.
> > > 
> > > Its worth a chat with the GRAM team.  It will be a slower harder route
> > > though.  Thats a tradeoff.
> > > 
> > > - Mike
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 7/25/08 8:01 AM, Ian Foster wrote:
> > > > Mike:
> > > > What is the status of the integration into kickstart into the Globus
> > > > release?
> > > > Ian.
> > > > On Jul 25, 2008, at 7:41 AM, Michael Wilde wrote:
> > > > > was: Re: Can we copy Swift execution logs to CI network?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Should we make this transition, dropping kickstart, and making the
> > > > > wrapper log a useful format that becomes part of the Swift runtime
> > > > > specification?
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 7/15/08 4:18 PM, Ben Clifford wrote:
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > ...there's substantial lack of information
> > > > > > for many runs as we have been tweaking the logs over time (especially
> > > > > > the worker node logs which take a similar place to kickstart records
> > > > > > now - giving the actual on-worker cpu usage but are relatively very
> > > > > > expensive to collect and move around).
> > > > > 
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