[petsc-users] interpreting petsc streams result

Thu Oct 23 02:42:39 CDT 2025

Thanks Junchao, that looks good. The zig zag pattern is visible but not as wild. The speed up is similar.

Chris

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From: Junchao Zhang <junchao.zhang at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2025 11:17 PM
To: Klaij, Christiaan
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Hi, Chris,
  I think I am done with the MR, https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://gitlab.com/petsc/petsc/-/merge_requests/7651__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!f0ym-ubSw0zZ557es-25JfsDmPjk4EAhMPYF65uYFefhx7maXr2_xgDoONAvCV6uAJ-WpEtJKblk9W7m4wDWgDU$ 
  You can look at the sample output there.  The array size is now very large,  supporting an aggregated L3 cache size of 1,920MB.

--Junchao Zhang

On Tue, Oct 21, 2025 at 6:17 AM Klaij, Christiaan <C.Klaij at marin.nl<mailto:C.Klaij at marin.nl>> wrote:
OK, experiments will have to wait till we get the hardware.

Can you give me a sign when you are done with the merge request? I
would like to try with the increased array size, other vendors
already warned me that "the array in stream is quiet small".

Chris

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From: Junchao Zhang <junchao.zhang at gmail.com<mailto:junchao.zhang at gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2025 6:36 PM
To: Klaij, Christiaan
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Subject: Re: [petsc-users] interpreting petsc streams result

Hi, Chris,
  Since we compute the speed up off the bandwidth achieved by a single MPI process, and a process can drive all memory channels,  the maximum speed up can only come from experiments (vs. not by # of memory channels).

  --Junchao Zhang

On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 9:45 AM Klaij, Christiaan <C.Klaij at marin.nl<mailto:C.Klaij at marin.nl><mailto:C.Klaij at marin.nl<mailto:C.Klaij at marin.nl>>> wrote:
Hi Junchao,

Thanks for you answer. Regarding the speed-up what would you expect if not 24 out of 64, and why?

Chris

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Sent: Friday, October 17, 2025 5:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [petsc-users] interpreting petsc streams result

Hi, Chris,
I did have an MR https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://gitlab.com/petsc/petsc/-/merge_requests/7651__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!f0ym-ubSw0zZ557es-25JfsDmPjk4EAhMPYF65uYFefhx7maXr2_xgDoONAvCV6uAJ-WpEtJKblk9W7m4wDWgDU$  to improve mpistream. I should rework it after Barry's !6903. See my inlined comments to your questions

On Fri, Oct 17, 2025 at 3:37 AM Klaij, Christiaan via petsc-users <petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov<mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov><mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov<mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov>><mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov<mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov><mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov<mailto:petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov>>>> wrote:
Attached is a petsc streams result kindly provided by a hardware
vendor for a single compute node, dual socket, with two AMD epyc
9355 processors. Each processor has 32 cores, 12 DDR5 memory
channels and mem BW around 600 GB/s.

* It is not immediately clear which line corresponds to which
y-axis. Could future versions of petsc please color the axis
label with the matching line color?
definitely

* Why would the achieved bandwidth be roughly 0.9 x 1e6 MB/s =
900 GB/s and not closer to 1200 GB/s?
I recall it is actually not simple to get the theoretical max bandwidth. One has to use special SIMD instructions, compiler flags and streaming stores etc.

* The speed-up seems to be 12 out of 64, provided multiples of 8
cores are used. As expected given 12 memory channels?
Maybe not, otherwise the speedup should be 24 as you have 24 channels.

* Does the zig-zag pattern indicate a pinning problem, or is it
unavoidable given the 8 core building block of these type of
processors?
I checked and found "make mpistream" uses --map-by core. I think we should use --map-by socket or --map-by l3cache.

Chris
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