[petsc-users] Tweaking my code for CUDA

Manuel Valera mvalera-w at mail.sdsu.edu
Wed Mar 14 13:25:58 CDT 2018


yeah that worked,

[valera at node50 tutorials]$ ./ex19 -dm_vec_type seqcuda -dm_mat_type
seqaijcusparse
lid velocity = 0.0625, prandtl # = 1., grashof # = 1.
Number of SNES iterations = 2
[valera at node50 tutorials]$

How do i make sure the other program refer to this installation? using the
same arguments there i get:

[valera at node50 alone]$ ./linsolve -vec_type seqcuda -mat_type seqaijcusparse
 laplacian.petsc !
[0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
--------------------------------------------------------------
[0]PETSC ERROR: Unknown type. Check for miss-spelling or missing package:
http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/installation.html#external
[0]PETSC ERROR: Unknown vector type: seqcuda
[0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html for
trouble shooting.
[0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision: v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT
Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
[0]PETSC ERROR: ./linsolve on a cuda named node50 by valera Wed Mar 14
11:25:11 2018
[0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
--with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
--FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
--with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
--with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
[0]PETSC ERROR: #1 VecSetType() line 42 in
/home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vecreg.c
[0]PETSC ERROR: #2 VecSetTypeFromOptions_Private() line 1241 in
/home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vector.c
[0]PETSC ERROR: #3 VecSetFromOptions() line 1276 in
/home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vector.c
[0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
--------------------------------------------------------------
[0]PETSC ERROR: Object is in wrong state
[0]PETSC ERROR: Vec object's type is not set: Argument # 1
[0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html for
trouble shooting.
[0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision: v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT
Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
[0]PETSC ERROR: ./linsolve on a cuda named node50 by valera Wed Mar 14
11:25:11 2018
[0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
--with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
--FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
--with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
--with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
[0]PETSC ERROR: #4 VecDuplicate() line 375 in
/home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vector.c
[0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
--------------------------------------------------------------
[0]PETSC ERROR: Object is in wrong state
[0]PETSC ERROR: Vec object's type is not set: Argument # 1
[0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html for
trouble shooting.
[0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision: v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT
Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
[0]PETSC ERROR: ./linsolve on a cuda named node50 by valera Wed Mar 14
11:25:11 2018
[0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
--with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
--FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
--with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
--with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
[0]PETSC ERROR: #5 VecDuplicate() line 375 in
/home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vector.c
[0]PETSC ERROR: #6 User provided function() line 0 in User file
[valera at node50 alone]$

I made sure there is a call for Vec/MatSetFromOptions() there, i am loading
the matrix from a petsc binary in this case,

Thanks,


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Manuel Valera <mvalera-w at mail.sdsu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is the system installation that is being correctly linked (the
>> linear solver and model are not linking the correct installation idk why
>> yet) i configured with only CUDA this time because of the message Karl Rupp
>> posted on my installation thread, where he says only one type of library
>> will work at a time, anyway this is what i got:
>>
>> [valera at node50 tutorials]$ ./ex19 -dm_vec_type seqcuda -dm_mat_type
>> seqaijcusp
>> lid velocity = 0.0625, prandtl # = 1., grashof # = 1.
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Unknown type. Check for miss-spelling or missing package:
>> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/installation.html#external
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Unknown Mat type given: seqaijcusp
>>
>
> It is telling you the problem. Use
>
>   -dm_mat_type seqaijcusparse
>
>    Matt
>
>
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html
>> for trouble shooting.
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision: v3.8.3-2027-g045eeab  GIT
>> Date: 2018-03-12 13:30:25 -0500
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./ex19 on a  named node50 by valera Wed Mar 14 11:17:25
>> 2018
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options --prefix=/usr/local/petsc.cod/petsc-install
>> --with-mpi-dir=/usr/lib64/openmpi --with-blaslapack-dir=/usr/lib64
>> COPTFLAGS=-O2 CXXOPTFLAGS=-O2 FOPTFLAGS=-O2 --with-shared-libraries=0
>> --download-hypre --with-debugging=0 --with-cuda=1 --with-cuda-arch=sm_60
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #1 MatSetType() line 61 in /home/valera/testpetsc/src/mat
>> /interface/matreg.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #2 DMCreateMatrix_DA() line 693 in
>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/dm/impls/da/fdda.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #3 DMCreateMatrix() line 1199 in
>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/dm/interface/dm.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #4 SNESSetUpMatrices() line 646 in
>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/snes/interface/snes.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #5 SNESSetUp_NEWTONLS() line 296 in
>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/snes/impls/ls/ls.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #6 SNESSetUp() line 2795 in /home/valera/testpetsc/src/sne
>> s/interface/snes.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #7 SNESSolve() line 4187 in /home/valera/testpetsc/src/sne
>> s/interface/snes.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #8 main() line 161 in /home/valera/testpetsc/src/sne
>> s/examples/tutorials/ex19.c
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: PETSc Option Table entries:
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: -dm_mat_type seqaijcusp
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: -dm_vec_type seqcuda
>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ----------------End of Error Message -------send entire
>> error message to petsc-maint at mcs.anl.gov----------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------
>> MPI_ABORT was invoked on rank 0 in communicator MPI_COMM_WORLD
>> with errorcode 86.
>>
>> NOTE: invoking MPI_ABORT causes Open MPI to kill all MPI processes.
>> You may or may not see output from other processes, depending on
>> exactly when Open MPI kills them.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:16 AM, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 3:12 AM, Manuel Valera <mvalera-w at mail.sdsu.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, got this error:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you not configure with CUSP? It looks like you have CUDA, so use
>>>
>>>   -dm_vec_type seqcuda
>>>
>>>   Thanks,
>>>
>>>     Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>> [valera at node50 testpetsc]$ cd src/snes/examples/tutorials/
>>>> [valera at node50 tutorials]$ PETSC_ARCH="" make ex19
>>>> /usr/lib64/openmpi/bin/mpicc -o ex19.o -c -Wall -Wwrite-strings
>>>> -Wno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unknown-pragmas -fstack-protector
>>>> -fvisibility=hidden -O2   -I/home/valera/testpetsc/include
>>>> -I/home/valera/testpetsc/arch-linux2-c-opt/include
>>>> -I/usr/local/petsc.cod/petsc-install/include -I/usr/local/cuda/include
>>>> -I/usr/lib64/openmpi/include    `pwd`/ex19.c
>>>> /usr/lib64/openmpi/bin/mpicc -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wno-strict-aliasing
>>>> -Wno-unknown-pragmas -fstack-protector -fvisibility=hidden -O2  -o ex19
>>>> ex19.o -L/home/valera/testpetsc/arch-linux2-c-opt/lib
>>>> -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/petsc.cod/petsc-install/lib
>>>> -L/usr/local/petsc.cod/petsc-install/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib64
>>>> -L/usr/lib64 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/cuda/lib64 -L/usr/local/cuda/lib64
>>>> -L/usr/lib64/openmpi/lib -L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.8.5
>>>> -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib64/openmpi/lib -lpetsc -lHYPRE -llapack -lblas -lm
>>>> -lcufft -lcublas -lcudart -lcusparse -lX11 -lstdc++ -ldl -lmpi_usempi
>>>> -lmpi_mpifh -lmpi -lgfortran -lm -lgfortran -lm -lgcc_s -lquadmath
>>>> -lpthread -lstdc++ -ldl
>>>> /usr/bin/rm -f ex19.o
>>>> [valera at node50 tutorials]$ ./ex19 -dm_vec_type seqcusp -dm_mat_type
>>>> seqaijcusp
>>>> lid velocity = 0.0625, prandtl # = 1., grashof # = 1.
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Unknown type. Check for miss-spelling or missing
>>>> package: http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/installation.html
>>>> #external
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Unknown vector type: seqcusp
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html
>>>> for trouble shooting.
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision: v3.8.3-2027-g045eeab
>>>> GIT Date: 2018-03-12 13:30:25 -0500
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./ex19 on a  named node50 by valera Wed Mar 14 11:12:11
>>>> 2018
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options --prefix=/usr/local/petsc.cod/petsc-install
>>>> --with-mpi-dir=/usr/lib64/openmpi --with-blaslapack-dir=/usr/lib64
>>>> COPTFLAGS=-O2 CXXOPTFLAGS=-O2 FOPTFLAGS=-O2 --with-shared-libraries=0
>>>> --download-hypre --with-debugging=0 --with-cuda=1 --with-cuda-arch=sm_60
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #1 VecSetType() line 42 in
>>>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vecreg.c
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #2 DMCreateGlobalVector_DA() line 39 in
>>>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/dm/impls/da/dadist.c
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #3 DMCreateGlobalVector() line 865 in
>>>> /home/valera/testpetsc/src/dm/interface/dm.c
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #4 main() line 158 in /home/valera/testpetsc/src/sne
>>>> s/examples/tutorials/ex19.c
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: PETSc Option Table entries:
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: -dm_mat_type seqaijcusp
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: -dm_vec_type seqcusp
>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ----------------End of Error Message -------send entire
>>>> error message to petsc-maint at mcs.anl.gov----------
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --------------
>>>> MPI_ABORT was invoked on rank 0 in communicator MPI_COMM_WORLD
>>>> with errorcode 86.
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: invoking MPI_ABORT causes Open MPI to kill all MPI processes.
>>>> You may or may not see output from other processes, depending on
>>>> exactly when Open MPI kills them.
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> --------------
>>>> [valera at node50 tutorials]$
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:46 AM, Manuel Valera <
>>>>> mvalera-w at mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok lets try that, if i go to /home/valera/testpetsc/arch
>>>>>> -linux2-c-opt/tests/src/snes/examples/tutorials there is runex19.sh
>>>>>> and a lot of other ex19 variantes, but if i run that i get:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> knepley/feature-plex-functionals *$:/PETSc3/petsc/petsc-dev$ pushd
>>>>> src/snes/examples/tutorials/
>>>>> knepley/feature-plex-functionals *$:/PETSc3/petsc/petsc-dev/src/snes/examples/tutorials$
>>>>> PETSC_ARCH=arch-master-debug make ex19
>>>>> knepley/feature-plex-functionals *$:/PETSc3/petsc/petsc-dev/src/snes/examples/tutorials$
>>>>> ./ex19 -dm_vec_type seqcusp -dm_mat_type seqaijcusp
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>      Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> [valera at node50 tutorials]$ ./runex19.sh
>>>>>> not ok snes_tutorials-ex19_1
>>>>>> # ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>> # mpiexec was unable to launch the specified application as it could
>>>>>> not access
>>>>>> # or execute an executable:
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # Executable: ../ex19
>>>>>> # Node: node50
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # while attempting to start process rank 0.
>>>>>> # ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>> # 2 total processes failed to start
>>>>>> ok snes_tutorials-ex19_1 # SKIP Command failed so no diff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is this the one i should be running ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:27 AM, Manuel Valera <
>>>>>>> mvalera-w at mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok thanks Matt, i made a smaller case with only the linear solver
>>>>>>>> and a 25x25 matrix, the error i have in this case is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, it appears that not all parts of your problem are taking the
>>>>>>> type options. If you want the
>>>>>>> linear algebra objects to change type, you need to have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   VecSetFromOptions()  and MatSetFromOptions()
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> called after you create them, but before sizes are set and data is
>>>>>>> entered. However, it should
>>>>>>> not be possible to have a seq Vec with the seqcusp AXPY routine set.
>>>>>>> Something else is wrong...
>>>>>>> Did you try a PETSc example, such as SNES ex19, with this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [valera at node50 alone]$ mpirun -n 1 ./linsolve -vec_type cusp
>>>>>>>> -mat_type aijcusparse
>>>>>>>>  laplacian.petsc !
>>>>>>>>  TrivSoln loaded, size:          125 /         125
>>>>>>>>  RHS loaded, size:          125 /         125
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Null argument, when expecting valid pointer
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Null Pointer: Parameter # 4
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
>>>>>>>> ocumentation/faq.html for trouble shooting.
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision:
>>>>>>>> v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./linsolve on a cuda named node50 by valera Wed Mar
>>>>>>>> 14 10:24:35 2018
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
>>>>>>>> --with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
>>>>>>>> --FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
>>>>>>>> --with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
>>>>>>>> --with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #1 VecSetValues() line 851 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/rvector.c
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Invalid argument
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Object (seq) is not seqcusp or mpicusp
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
>>>>>>>> ocumentation/faq.html for trouble shooting.
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision:
>>>>>>>> v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./linsolve on a cuda named node50 by valera Wed Mar
>>>>>>>> 14 10:24:35 2018
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
>>>>>>>> --with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
>>>>>>>> --FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
>>>>>>>> --with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
>>>>>>>> --with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #2 VecCUSPGetArrayRead() line 1792 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/impls/seq/seqcusp/veccusp2.cu
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #3 VecAXPY_SeqCUSP() line 314 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/impls/seq/seqcusp/veccusp2.cu
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #4 VecAXPY() line 612 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/rvector.c
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #5 KSPSolve_GCR_cycle() line 60 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/ksp/ksp/impls/gcr/gcr.c
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #6 KSPSolve_GCR() line 114 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/ksp/ksp/impls/gcr/gcr.c
>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #7 KSPSolve() line 669 in
>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/ksp/ksp/interface/itfunc.c
>>>>>>>>  soln maxval:   0.0000000000000000
>>>>>>>>  soln minval:   0.0000000000000000
>>>>>>>>  Norm:   11.180339887498949
>>>>>>>>  Its:           0
>>>>>>>> WARNING! There are options you set that were not used!
>>>>>>>> WARNING! could be spelling mistake, etc!
>>>>>>>> Option left: name:-mat_type value: aijcusparse
>>>>>>>> [valera at node50 alone]$
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also see the configure options are not correct, so i guess is
>>>>>>>> still linking a different petsc installation, but maybe we can try to make
>>>>>>>> it work as it is, i will let you know if i am able to link the correct
>>>>>>>> petsc installation here,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 3:05 AM, Manuel Valera <
>>>>>>>>> mvalera-w at mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am working on porting a linear solver into GPUs for timing
>>>>>>>>>> purposes, so far i've been able to compile and run the CUSP libraries and
>>>>>>>>>> compile PETSc to be used with CUSP and ViennaCL, after the initial runs i
>>>>>>>>>> noticed some errors, they are different for different flags and i would
>>>>>>>>>> appreciate any help interpreting them,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only elements in this program that use PETSc are the
>>>>>>>>>> laplacian matrix (sparse), the RHS and X vectors and a scatter petsc
>>>>>>>>>> object, so i would say it's safe to pass the command line arguments for the
>>>>>>>>>> Mat/VecSetType()s instead of changing the source code,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If i use *-vec_type cuda -mat_type aijcusparse* or *-vec_type
>>>>>>>>>> viennacl -mat_type aijviennacl *i get the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These systems do not properly propagate errors. My only advice is
>>>>>>>>> to run a smaller problem and see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Caught signal number 11 SEGV: Segmentation
>>>>>>>>>> Violation, probably memory access out of range
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Try option -start_in_debugger or
>>>>>>>>>> -on_error_attach_debugger
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: or see http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
>>>>>>>>>> ocumentation/faq.html#valgrind
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: or try http://valgrind.org on GNU/linux and
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mac OS X to find memory corruption errors
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: likely location of problem given in stack below
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ---------------------  Stack Frames
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Note: The EXACT line numbers in the stack are not
>>>>>>>>>> available,
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR:       INSTEAD the line number of the start of the
>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR:       is given.
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] VecSetValues line 847
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/rvector.c
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] VecSetType line 36
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vecreg.c
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] VecSetTypeFromOptions_Private line 1230
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vector.c
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] VecSetFromOptions line 1271
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/interface/vector.c
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Signal received
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
>>>>>>>>>> ocumentation/faq.html for trouble shooting.
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision:
>>>>>>>>>> v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./gcmSeamount on a cuda named node50 by valera
>>>>>>>>>> Thu Mar  8 09:50:51 2018
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
>>>>>>>>>> --FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
>>>>>>>>>> --with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #5 User provided function() line 0 in  unknown
>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This seems to be a memory out of range, maybe my vector is too
>>>>>>>>>> big for my CUDA system? how do i assess that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next, if i use *-vec_type cusp -mat_type aijcusparse *i get
>>>>>>>>>> something different and more interesting:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We need to see the entire error message, since it has the stack.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This seems like a logic error, but could definitely be on our end.
>>>>>>>>> Here is how I think about these:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   1) We have nightly test solves, so at least some solver
>>>>>>>>> configuration works
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   2) Some vector which is marked read-only (happens for input to
>>>>>>>>> solvers), but someone is trying to update it.
>>>>>>>>>       The stack will tell me where this is happening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Matt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Object is in wrong state
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR:  Vec is locked read only, argument # 3
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
>>>>>>>>>> ocumentation/faq.html for trouble shooting.
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision:
>>>>>>>>>> v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./gcmSeamount on a cuda named node50 by valera
>>>>>>>>>> Thu Mar  8 10:02:19 2018
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
>>>>>>>>>> --FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
>>>>>>>>>> --with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #48 KSPSolve() line 615 in
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/ksp/ksp/interface/itfunc.c
>>>>>>>>>>  PETSC_SOLVER_ONLY   6.8672990892082453E-005 s
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Invalid argument
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Object (seq) is not seqcusp or mpicusp
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
>>>>>>>>>> ocumentation/faq.html for trouble shooting.
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Development GIT revision:
>>>>>>>>>> v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./gcmSeamount on a cuda named node50 by valera
>>>>>>>>>> Thu Mar  8 10:02:19 2018
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
>>>>>>>>>> --FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
>>>>>>>>>> --with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #49 VecCUSPGetArrayReadWrite() line 1718 in
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/impls/seq/seqcusp/veccusp2.cu
>>>>>>>>>> [0]PETSC ERROR: #50 VecScatterCUSP_StoS() line 269 in
>>>>>>>>>> /home/valera/petsc/src/vec/vec/impls/seq/seqcusp/vecscatterc
>>>>>>>>>> usp.cu
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And it yields a "solution" to the system and also a log at the
>>>>>>>>>> end:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ./gcmSeamount on a cuda named node50 with 1 processor, by valera
>>>>>>>>>> Thu Mar  8 10:02:24 2018
>>>>>>>>>> Using Petsc Development GIT revision: v3.8.3-1817-g96b6f8a  GIT
>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2018-02-28 10:19:08 -0600
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                          Max       Max/Min        Avg      Total
>>>>>>>>>> Time (sec):           4.573e+00      1.00000   4.573e+00
>>>>>>>>>> Objects:              8.100e+01      1.00000   8.100e+01
>>>>>>>>>> Flop:                 3.492e+07      1.00000   3.492e+07
>>>>>>>>>> 3.492e+07
>>>>>>>>>> Flop/sec:            7.637e+06      1.00000   7.637e+06  7.637e+06
>>>>>>>>>> Memory:               2.157e+08      1.00000
>>>>>>>>>> 2.157e+08
>>>>>>>>>> MPI Messages:         0.000e+00      0.00000   0.000e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.000e+00
>>>>>>>>>> MPI Message Lengths:  0.000e+00      0.00000   0.000e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.000e+00
>>>>>>>>>> MPI Reductions:       0.000e+00      0.00000
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Flop counting convention: 1 flop = 1 real number operation of
>>>>>>>>>> type (multiply/divide/add/subtract)
>>>>>>>>>>                             e.g., VecAXPY() for real vectors of
>>>>>>>>>> length N --> 2N flop
>>>>>>>>>>                             and VecAXPY() for complex vectors of
>>>>>>>>>> length N --> 8N flop
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Summary of Stages:   ----- Time ------  ----- Flop -----  ---
>>>>>>>>>> Messages ---  -- Message Lengths --  -- Reductions --
>>>>>>>>>>                         Avg     %Total     Avg     %Total
>>>>>>>>>>  counts   %Total     Avg         %Total   counts   %Total
>>>>>>>>>>  0:      Main Stage: 4.5729e+00 100.0%  3.4924e+07 100.0%
>>>>>>>>>> 0.000e+00   0.0%  0.000e+00        0.0%  0.000e+00   0.0%
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> See the 'Profiling' chapter of the users' manual for details on
>>>>>>>>>> interpreting output.
>>>>>>>>>> Phase summary info:
>>>>>>>>>>    Count: number of times phase was executed
>>>>>>>>>>    Time and Flop: Max - maximum over all processors
>>>>>>>>>>                    Ratio - ratio of maximum to minimum over all
>>>>>>>>>> processors
>>>>>>>>>>    Mess: number of messages sent
>>>>>>>>>>    Avg. len: average message length (bytes)
>>>>>>>>>>    Reduct: number of global reductions
>>>>>>>>>>    Global: entire computation
>>>>>>>>>>    Stage: stages of a computation. Set stages with
>>>>>>>>>> PetscLogStagePush() and PetscLogStagePop().
>>>>>>>>>>       %T - percent time in this phase         %F - percent flop
>>>>>>>>>> in this phase
>>>>>>>>>>       %M - percent messages in this phase     %L - percent
>>>>>>>>>> message lengths in this phase
>>>>>>>>>>       %R - percent reductions in this phase
>>>>>>>>>>    Total Mflop/s: 10e-6 * (sum of flop over all processors)/(max
>>>>>>>>>> time over all processors)
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       ##########################################################
>>>>>>>>>>       #                                                        #
>>>>>>>>>>       #                          WARNING!!!                    #
>>>>>>>>>>       #                                                        #
>>>>>>>>>>       #   This code was compiled with a debugging option,      #
>>>>>>>>>>       #   To get timing results run ./configure                #
>>>>>>>>>>       #   using --with-debugging=no, the performance will      #
>>>>>>>>>>       #   be generally two or three times faster.              #
>>>>>>>>>>       #                                                        #
>>>>>>>>>>       ##########################################################
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Event                Count      Time (sec)     Flop
>>>>>>>>>>                --- Global ---  --- Stage ---   Total
>>>>>>>>>>                    Max Ratio  Max     Ratio   Max  Ratio  Mess
>>>>>>>>>>  Avg len Reduct  %T %F %M %L %R  %T %F %M %L %R Mflop/s
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- Event Stage 0: Main Stage
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MatLUFactorNum         1 1.0 4.9502e-02 1.0 3.49e+07 1.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  1100  0  0  0   1100  0  0  0   706
>>>>>>>>>> MatILUFactorSym        1 1.0 1.9642e-02 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatAssemblyBegin       2 1.0 6.9141e-06 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatAssemblyEnd         2 1.0 2.6612e-01 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  6  0  0  0  0   6  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatGetRowIJ            1 1.0 5.0068e-06 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatGetOrdering         1 1.0 1.7186e-02 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatLoad                1 1.0 1.1575e-01 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  3  0  0  0  0   3  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatView                1 1.0 8.0877e-02 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  2  0  0  0  0   2  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> MatCUSPCopyTo          1 1.0 2.4664e-01 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  5  0  0  0  0   5  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> VecSet                68 1.0 5.1665e-02 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  1  0  0  0  0   1  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> VecAssemblyBegin      17 1.0 5.2691e-05 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> VecAssemblyEnd        17 1.0 4.3631e-05 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> VecScatterBegin       15 1.0 1.5345e-03 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> VecCUSPCopyFrom        1 1.0 1.1199e-03 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  0  0  0  0  0   0  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> KSPSetUp               1 1.0 5.1929e-02 1.0 0.00e+00 0.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  1  0  0  0  0   1  0  0  0  0     0
>>>>>>>>>> PCSetUp                2 1.0 8.6590e-02 1.0 3.49e+07 1.0 0.0e+00
>>>>>>>>>> 0.0e+00 0.0e+00  2100  0  0  0   2100  0  0  0   403
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Memory usage is given in bytes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Object Type          Creations   Destructions     Memory
>>>>>>>>>> Descendants' Mem.
>>>>>>>>>> Reports information only for process 0.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- Event Stage 0: Main Stage
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>               Matrix     3              1     52856972     0.
>>>>>>>>>>    Matrix Null Space     1              1          608     0.
>>>>>>>>>>               Vector    66              3      3414600     0.
>>>>>>>>>>       Vector Scatter     1              1          680     0.
>>>>>>>>>>               Viewer     3              2         1680     0.
>>>>>>>>>>        Krylov Solver     1              0            0     0.
>>>>>>>>>>       Preconditioner     2              1          864     0.
>>>>>>>>>>            Index Set     4              1          800     0.
>>>>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>>>>> ============================================================
>>>>>>>>>> Average time to get PetscTime(): 9.53674e-08
>>>>>>>>>> #PETSc Option Table entries:
>>>>>>>>>> -ksp_view
>>>>>>>>>> -log_view
>>>>>>>>>> -mat_type aijcusparse
>>>>>>>>>> -matload_block_size 1
>>>>>>>>>> -vec_type cusp
>>>>>>>>>> #End of PETSc Option Table entries
>>>>>>>>>> Compiled without FORTRAN kernels
>>>>>>>>>> Compiled with full precision matrices (default)
>>>>>>>>>> sizeof(short) 2 sizeof(int) 4 sizeof(long) 8 sizeof(void*) 8
>>>>>>>>>> sizeof(PetscScalar) 8 sizeof(PetscInt) 4
>>>>>>>>>> Configure options: PETSC_ARCH=cuda --with-cc=mpicc
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cxx=mpic++ --with-fc=mpifort --COPTFLAGS=-O3 --CXXOPTFLAGS=-O3
>>>>>>>>>> --FOPTFLAGS=-O3 --with-shared-libraries=1 --with-debugging=1 --with-cuda=1
>>>>>>>>>> --with-cuda-arch=sm_60 --with-cusp=1 --with-cusp-dir=/home/valera/cusp
>>>>>>>>>> --with-vienacl=1 --download-fblaslapack=1 --download-hypre
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Libraries compiled on Mon Mar  5 16:37:18 2018 on node50
>>>>>>>>>> Machine characteristics: Linux-3.10.0-693.17.1.el7.x86_
>>>>>>>>>> 64-x86_64-with-centos-7.2.1511-Core
>>>>>>>>>> Using PETSc directory: /home/valera/petsc
>>>>>>>>>> Using PETSc arch: cuda
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Using C compiler: mpicc  -fPIC  -Wall -Wwrite-strings
>>>>>>>>>> -Wno-strict-aliasing -Wno-unknown-pragmas -fstack-protector
>>>>>>>>>> -fvisibility=hidden -O3
>>>>>>>>>> Using Fortran compiler: mpifort  -fPIC -Wall -ffree-line-length-0
>>>>>>>>>> -Wno-unused-dummy-argument -O3
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Using include paths: -I/home/valera/petsc/cuda/include
>>>>>>>>>> -I/home/valera/petsc/include -I/home/valera/petsc/include
>>>>>>>>>> -I/home/valera/petsc/cuda/include -I/home/valera/cusp/
>>>>>>>>>> -I/usr/local/cuda/include
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Using C linker: mpicc
>>>>>>>>>> Using Fortran linker: mpifort
>>>>>>>>>> Using libraries: -Wl,-rpath,/home/valera/petsc/cuda/lib
>>>>>>>>>> -L/home/valera/petsc/cuda/lib -lpetsc -Wl,-rpath,/home/valera/petsc/cuda/lib
>>>>>>>>>> -L/home/valera/petsc/cuda/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/local/cuda/lib64
>>>>>>>>>> -L/usr/local/cuda/lib64 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib64/openmpi/lib
>>>>>>>>>> -L/usr/lib64/openmpi/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.8.5
>>>>>>>>>> -L/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.8.5 -lHYPRE -lflapack
>>>>>>>>>> -lfblas -lm -lcufft -lcublas -lcudart -lcusparse -lX11 -lstdc++ -ldl
>>>>>>>>>> -lmpi_usempi -lmpi_mpifh -lmpi -lgfortran -lm -lgfortran -lm -lgcc_s
>>>>>>>>>> -lquadmath -lpthread -lstdc++ -ldl
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Manuel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>>>>>>>>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>>>>>>>>> experiments lead.
>>>>>>>>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>>>>>>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>>>>>>> experiments lead.
>>>>>>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
>>>>>>> <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>>>>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>>>>> experiments lead.
>>>>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
>>>>> <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>>> experiments lead.
>>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>>
>>> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
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