[petsc-users] Question concerning ilu and bcgs
Matthew Knepley
knepley at gmail.com
Wed Feb 18 10:57:27 CST 2015
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Sun, Hui <hus003 at ucsd.edu> wrote:
> If I use PETSc's ilu(0), how can I output the matrix L and U?
>
> I mean, I can setup pc by PCSetType
> <http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/PC/PCSetType.html#PCSetType>
> (pc,PCLU
> <http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/PC/PCLU.html#PCLU>
> ); And I can output a matrix by MatView. But how do I get the L and the U
> from the pc, so that I can output them?
>
We do not have output routines for the factors.
Thanks,
Matt
> Best,
> Hui
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Sun, Hui
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:47 AM
> *To:* Matthew Knepley
> *Cc:* hong at aspiritech.org; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* RE: [petsc-users] Question concerning ilu and bcgs
>
> The matrix is from a 3D fluid problem, with complicated irregular
> boundary conditions. I've tried using direct solvers such as UMFPACK,
> SuperLU_dist and MUMPS. It seems that SuperLU_dist does not solve for my
> linear system; UMFPACK solves the system but would run into memory issue
> even with small size matrices and it cannot parallelize; MUMPS does solve
> the system but it also fails when the size is big and it takes much time.
> That's why I'm seeking an iterative method.
>
> I guess the direct method is faster than an iterative method for a small
> A, but that may not be true for bigger A.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Knepley [knepley at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:33 AM
> *To:* Sun, Hui
> *Cc:* hong at aspiritech.org; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] Question concerning ilu and bcgs
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Sun, Hui <hus003 at ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> So far I just try around, I haven't looked into literature yet.
>>
>> However, both MATLAB's ilu+gmres and ilu+bcgs work. Is it possible that
>> some parameter or options need to be tuned in using PETSc's ilu or hypre's
>> ilu? Besides, is there a way to view how good the performance of the pc is
>> and output the matrices L and U, so that I can do some test in MATLAB?
>>
>
> 1) Its not clear exactly what Matlab is doing
>
> 2) PETSc uses ILU(0) by default (you can set it to use ILU(k))
>
> 3) I don't know what Hypre's ILU can do
>
> I would really discourage from using ILU. I cannot imagine it is faster
> than sparse direct factorization
> for your system, such as from SuperLU or MUMPS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
>> Hui
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Matthew Knepley [knepley at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:09 AM
>> *To:* Sun, Hui
>> *Cc:* hong at aspiritech.org; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
>> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] Question concerning ilu and bcgs
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Sun, Hui <hus003 at ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I've tried other solvers, gmres/ilu does not work, neither does
>>> bcgs/ilu. Here are the options:
>>>
>>> -pc_type ilu -pc_factor_nonzeros_along_diagonal -pc_factor_levels 0
>>> -pc_factor_reuse_ordering -ksp_ty\
>>>
>>> pe bcgs -ksp_rtol 1e-6 -ksp_max_it 10 -ksp_monitor_short -ksp_view
>>>
>>
>> Note here that ILU(0) is an unreliable and generally crappy
>> preconditioner. Have you looked in the
>> literature for the kinds of preconditioners that are effective for your
>> problem?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>> Here is the output:
>>>
>>> 0 KSP Residual norm 211292
>>>
>>> 1 KSP Residual norm 13990.2
>>>
>>> 2 KSP Residual norm 9870.08
>>>
>>> 3 KSP Residual norm 9173.9
>>>
>>> 4 KSP Residual norm 9121.94
>>>
>>> 5 KSP Residual norm 7386.1
>>>
>>> 6 KSP Residual norm 6222.55
>>>
>>> 7 KSP Residual norm 7192.94
>>>
>>> 8 KSP Residual norm 33964
>>>
>>> 9 KSP Residual norm 33960.4
>>>
>>> 10 KSP Residual norm 1068.54
>>>
>>> KSP Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>
>>> type: bcgs
>>>
>>> maximum iterations=10, initial guess is zero
>>>
>>> tolerances: relative=1e-06, absolute=1e-50, divergence=10000
>>>
>>> left preconditioning
>>>
>>> using PRECONDITIONED norm type for convergence test
>>>
>>> PC Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>
>>> type: ilu
>>>
>>> ILU: out-of-place factorization
>>>
>>> ILU: Reusing reordering from past factorization
>>>
>>> 0 levels of fill
>>>
>>> tolerance for zero pivot 2.22045e-14
>>>
>>> using diagonal shift on blocks to prevent zero pivot [INBLOCKS]
>>>
>>> matrix ordering: natural
>>>
>>> factor fill ratio given 1, needed 1
>>>
>>> Factored matrix follows:
>>>
>>> Mat Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>
>>> type: seqaij
>>>
>>> rows=62500, cols=62500
>>>
>>> package used to perform factorization: petsc
>>>
>>> total: nonzeros=473355, allocated nonzeros=473355
>>>
>>> total number of mallocs used during MatSetValues calls =0
>>>
>>> not using I-node routines
>>>
>>> linear system matrix = precond matrix:
>>>
>>> Mat Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>
>>> type: seqaij
>>>
>>> rows=62500, cols=62500
>>>
>>> total: nonzeros=473355, allocated nonzeros=7.8125e+06
>>>
>>> total number of mallocs used during MatSetValues calls =0
>>>
>>> not using I-node routines
>>>
>>> Time cost: 0.307149, 0.268402, 0.0990018
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* hong at aspiritech.org [hong at aspiritech.org]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:49 AM
>>> *To:* Sun, Hui
>>> *Cc:* Matthew Knepley; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
>>> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] Question concerning ilu and bcgs
>>>
>>> Have you tried other solvers, e.g., PETSc default gmres/ilu,
>>> bcgs/ilu etc.
>>> The matrix is small. If it is ill-conditioned, then pc_type lu would
>>> work the best.
>>>
>>> Hong
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Sun, Hui <hus003 at ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> With options:
>>>>
>>>> -pc_type hypre -pc_hypre_type pilut -pc_hypre_pilut_maxiter 1000
>>>> -pc_hypre_pilut_tol 1e-3 -ksp_type bcgs -ksp_rtol 1e-10 -ksp_max_it 10
>>>> -ksp_monitor_short -ksp_converged_reason -ksp_view
>>>>
>>>> Here is the full output:
>>>>
>>>> 0 KSP Residual norm 1404.62
>>>>
>>>> 1 KSP Residual norm 88.9068
>>>>
>>>> 2 KSP Residual norm 64.73
>>>>
>>>> 3 KSP Residual norm 71.0224
>>>>
>>>> 4 KSP Residual norm 69.5044
>>>>
>>>> 5 KSP Residual norm 455.458
>>>>
>>>> 6 KSP Residual norm 174.876
>>>>
>>>> 7 KSP Residual norm 183.031
>>>>
>>>> 8 KSP Residual norm 650.675
>>>>
>>>> 9 KSP Residual norm 79.2441
>>>>
>>>> 10 KSP Residual norm 84.1985
>>>>
>>>> Linear solve did not converge due to DIVERGED_ITS iterations 10
>>>>
>>>> KSP Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>>
>>>> type: bcgs
>>>>
>>>> maximum iterations=10, initial guess is zero
>>>>
>>>> tolerances: relative=1e-10, absolute=1e-50, divergence=10000
>>>>
>>>> left preconditioning
>>>>
>>>> using PRECONDITIONED norm type for convergence test
>>>>
>>>> PC Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>>
>>>> type: hypre
>>>>
>>>> HYPRE Pilut preconditioning
>>>>
>>>> HYPRE Pilut: maximum number of iterations 1000
>>>>
>>>> HYPRE Pilut: drop tolerance 0.001
>>>>
>>>> HYPRE Pilut: default factor row size
>>>>
>>>> linear system matrix = precond matrix:
>>>>
>>>> Mat Object: 1 MPI processes
>>>>
>>>> type: seqaij
>>>>
>>>> rows=62500, cols=62500
>>>>
>>>> total: nonzeros=473355, allocated nonzeros=7.8125e+06
>>>>
>>>> total number of mallocs used during MatSetValues calls =0
>>>>
>>>> not using I-node routines
>>>>
>>>> Time cost: 0.756198, 0.662984, 0.105672
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Matthew Knepley [knepley at gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 18, 2015 3:30 AM
>>>> *To:* Sun, Hui
>>>> *Cc:* petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] Question concerning ilu and bcgs
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Sun, Hui <hus003 at ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a matrix system Ax = b, A is of type MatSeqAIJ or MatMPIAIJ,
>>>>> depending on the number of cores.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to solve this problem by pc_type ilu and ksp_type bcgs, it
>>>>> does not converge. The options I specify are:
>>>>>
>>>>> -pc_type hypre -pc_hypre_type pilut -pc_hypre_pilut_maxiter 1000
>>>>> -pc_hypre_pilut_tol 1e-3 -ksp_type b\
>>>>>
>>>>> cgs -ksp_rtol 1e-10 -ksp_max_it 1000 -ksp_monitor_short
>>>>> -ksp_converged_reason
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1) Run with -ksp_view, so we can see exactly what was used
>>>>
>>>> 2) ILUT is unfortunately not a well-defined algorithm, and I believe
>>>> the parallel version makes different decisions
>>>> than the serial version.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The first a few lines of the output are:
>>>>>
>>>>> 0 KSP Residual norm 1404.62
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 KSP Residual norm 88.9068
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 KSP Residual norm 64.73
>>>>>
>>>>> 3 KSP Residual norm 71.0224
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 KSP Residual norm 69.5044
>>>>>
>>>>> 5 KSP Residual norm 455.458
>>>>>
>>>>> 6 KSP Residual norm 174.876
>>>>>
>>>>> 7 KSP Residual norm 183.031
>>>>>
>>>>> 8 KSP Residual norm 650.675
>>>>>
>>>>> 9 KSP Residual norm 79.2441
>>>>>
>>>>> 10 KSP Residual norm 84.1985
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This clearly indicates non-convergence. However, I output the sparse
>>>>> matrix A and vector b to MATLAB, and run the following command:
>>>>>
>>>>> [L,U] = ilu(A,struct('type','ilutp','droptol',1e-3));
>>>>>
>>>>> [ux1,fl1,rr1,it1,rv1] = bicgstab(A,b,1e-10,1000,L,U);
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And it converges in MATLAB, with flag fl1=0, relative residue
>>>>> rr1=8.2725e-11, and iteration it1=89.5. I'm wondering how can I figure out
>>>>> what's wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hui
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>>>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>>>> experiments lead.
>>>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>> experiments lead.
>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
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