[petsc-users] Mailing list reply-to munging (was Any changes in ML usage between 3.1-p8 -> 3.3-p6?)

[Satish Balay]

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Jed Brown wrote:

> Satish Balay <balay at mcs.anl.gov> writes:
> 
> > Again 'minority usage. Since one would not care about following list
> > except for 'when they post' - They would filter list traffic into a
> > different folder - and look at that folder only when they post to that
> > list.
> 
> The problem is that you have to monitor _everything_ and you have to
> draw a line after sending a message when you decide to stop paying
> attention (changing your filters or not "checking that folder").  With
> reply-all convention, you just email and rest assured that all messages
> relevant to you will continue to Cc you.

Sure - there is cost for 'minority users. But to save that - you
propose a cost to majority users [i.e everyone should conciously use
'reply-all']

> Does the list configuration have an API?  If so, we could have a bot
> monitoring petsc-users email and subscribing (without delivery)
> addresses that are Cc'd in approved messages?

you can check that.

> > the whole argument is more archives and email-without subscribing. I
> > don't buy the stuff about "subscribe with delivery" or reply-to is
> > breaking stuff.
> 
> What part don't you buy?  If someone writes to the list, "reply-all"
> from another list subscriber goes only to the list.  That means they
> can't distinguish mail that they are interested in from all the other
> stuff on the list.

see above

>   I hypothesize that a lot of people write petsc-maint
> because they don't like the firehose implied by using petsc-users.
> Turning off munging fixes the firehose problem.

I submit that most petsc-maint users are familiar with petsc-maint -
and continue to use it.

New users do get confused between petsc-users & petsc-maint

> When you approve a message, are you whitelisting the thread or the
> author?  If the author, it's equivalent to subscribe-without-delivery.
> Maybe that is good enough?

I've been doing subscribe-with-delivery.

> Scrubbing large attachments is fine as long as we can deliver them to
> people who opt in, or at least those who are currently on petsc-maint.

Not sure if its possible to scrub just the attachments. If thats
possible you can now configure mailman to do that.

> > I don't know if there is an option for that. Currently all moderators
> > get such emails.
> 
> There is a difference between list "moderator" and "admin", right?  Can
> the current petsc-maint group be labeled as "moderator" so that we get
> the attachments?

Sure - you can set that up now.

Satish