[AG-USERS] Funding model request
Cindy Sievers
sievers at lanl.gov
Wed Mar 5 16:55:10 CST 2003
Hi Ed,
I am also very interested in this topic. This is also become somewhat of a
big issue here at LANL as well. While most of the interest is within the
Advanced Computing division, other divisions and groups are starting to
express interest. One line of thinking is to turn over the Access Grid to
the video/teleconferencing group and charge the same rates for AG
participation as we do for a regular video/teleconference. Personally, I
don't think this is a good direction to take, since one of the major
objectives of the AG is to promote informal spontaneous
communications. Also, with the introduction of AG2.0, we will be seeing
more interactive sharing of resources (vizualizations, graphics,
datasets). The problem is that while the AG can be used only for
meetings, it has so much more potential. If we start viewing the AG as
only a tool to facilitate meetings then we lose the capacity to do all the
other cool stuff. We are looking at recharge rates, but the question
arises - who do you charge? If there is a joint collaboration between
several groups here at LANL who wish to have an AG conference with 10-15
other sites, who pays for the grid? We could theoretically charge each
participant by the hour, regardless of how many other people are in the
group.....ick. I think this would discourage AG usage. I favor the model
whereby the grid is paid for out of some sort of group overhead and what we
provide is a service that may be used by any group or individual. I think
this would promote expanded usage of the AG, not only for meetings and
collaborations, but for shared resources and vizualization as well. How
do you charge for that type of service??? Then setting priorities is the
issue......
At 11:07 AM 3/5/2003 -0800, Ed Ritenour wrote:
>Hello all
>
>We at Berkeley Lab are in the process of looking at various funding
>models to support lab wide use of our Access Grid room. Currently the
>room and operation is paid for and used mostly by Computing Sciences and
>we would like to promote its usefulness to other divisions and therefore
>looking at ways to share the expense. I am interested in how other
>institutions handle their operations. If you have a few moments could
>some of you provide information regarding AG operational funding for
>your sites. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Ed
>
>
>
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