[AG-TECH] AccessGrid 3: What information is available
judson at mcs.anl.gov
Tue May 24 09:44:45 CDT 2005
This is incredibly good email. I'll be pondering it and thinking about
my own needs vs what GT4 provides . I entirely agree with the notion
of standards based; if we can identify the critical components that
need standardization we can move ahead.
This is great, really, I'm happy with it.
On May 24, 2005, at 8:38 AM, John Hodrien wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2005, Ivan R.Judson wrote:
>> Hey John,
>> Good point. Although my skepticism keeps nagging with the worry, "Why
>> with WSRF/GT4 services, aren't Web Services good enough?" I suspect
>> are, I haven't seen any significant value to the layers above that
>> by GT4.
> If you try and ignore the globus stuff, and think of it as WSRF it
> more pleasant. GT4 contains lots of crap for submitting jobs and
> resources, copying files about etc. I have no immediate interest in
> any of
> that. WSRF is the OASIS working draft for stateful web services, and
> as such
> is intended to be something nice and generic, usable whenever you want
> in a web service.
> The most important part of it as I'm concerned (if you were
> entertaining the
> notion of AG with web services) would be WS-Resource and
> Sadly you can quickly complicate things, as you're likely to need
> WS-Reliability if you're going down the notifications road.
> I'm not sure what else would be worth poking at, bits like
> might also deserve a look in.
> Equally, playing with WS-Security and using the SAML callout would let
> define whatever you wanted on the security front, and make it open and
> standardised how you were doing it.
> These are all boxes of tricks that live independently of GT4 (WSRF.NET
> example) but would open up the AG to open and standard interaction
> with other
> So really my case for this isn't in favour of GT4, it's in favour of
> standardised (very nearly at least ;) stateful web services.
>> Did I miss something :-)?
> I'm sure we've all missed plenty ;)
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