[AG-TECH] AG session for network staff ?
Thomas D. Uram
turam at mcs.anl.gov
Tue Jun 7 15:31:58 CDT 2005
Responding late on this thread....
This session is a great idea, and could be a benefit to many sites who have multicast
problems or questions. I think it should be held as its own session separate from the
townhall, because the audience (presumably net admins and such) would likely be different
from the typical townhall audience (AG users and developers). If we (Argonne) can do
anything to facilitate the session, please let me know.
We could consider holding similar sessions on other topics, too, to aid the community with
AG-related technologies (for instance, audio troubleshooting). We can explore that idea
after the multicast session.
Tom
On 06/03/05 10:06, Michael Elmore wrote:
> Hello Mike O'Connor,
> Is there another date that is good for you? We could still have the
> meeting at 8 pacific. Is that time good for you. If we have it then
> some of the people in Europe could come. I think it would be a little
> late for Asia though.
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> PS. I am assuming you have been getting all of the suggestions
>
>
> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Prior to replying to you I checked the LBL Holiday schedule but
>> neglected to check the BNL holiday schedule.
>> BNL is closed July 5th so I would not be able to use the AG node that
>> day.
>>
>> (I'll use my initials since there are too many Mikes on this thread)
>> -moc
>>
>> Michael Elmore wrote:
>>
>>> sorry about that. I did mean July 5.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike meant July 5th Townhall.
>>>>
>>>> -Monika
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>> Monica Rabarison expressed an interest in having a meeting
>>>>> to discuss mutlicast issues and troubleshooting for the
>>>>> access grid. (see below some of the email we have been
>>>>> sending.) I have found two people who are willing to
>>>>> participate in this. Mike O'Conner from ESNet and Greg Bell from
>>>>> LBLNet. Mike is willing to give the
>>>>> presentation and Greg is willing to help answer
>>>>> questions. The first question is can this be done at the
>>>>> 8 am townhall on July 7 (Mike can only do the 8 am presentation)
>>>>> The second question is what kind of
>>>>> discussion do you think would be good to present.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, July 5 for the 8AM pacific meeting is fine, I'll
>>>>>> have to decline the later meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We should talk about the audience and topic of
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> discussion. >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Elmore wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>> I just heard from Greg and he said that July 5 is ok
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> with him. He >> also said he would be willing to attend
>>>>> and help answer questions. >> Mike would you be willing
>>>>> and could you have a presentation available >> by July 5?
>>>>> Also, there are usually two meetings for the town hall.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> One at 8 am pacific and one at 4 pm pacific. Could
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> you and would >> you be willing to do both meetings. If
>>>>> you can only do the morning >> one it would be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> July 5th is fine for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Monica et al.,
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if it would be ok to do the meeting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> at the >>>> July 5 townhall. I will be on vacation for
>>>>> all of the >>>> dates you listed. Is this ok for MIke
>>>>> and Greg? >>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any date/time except June 10, 13, and 17 is fine for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> me. >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Greg and MIke,
>>>>>>>>>>> I received this from Monika about the content of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the >>>>>> meeting. The date is not set. If you can't
>>>>> meet at >>>>>> Brookhaven on the 7th, then we could schedule this
>>>>> for >>>>>> another time. Monika, do you
>>>>> have another date in mind? >>>>>> Thank you, Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the session is mainly intended for network
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> personel but >>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> node >ops too could benefit from it. When the idea
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> came >>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> up >>, what >everyone wanted was mostly about how to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> know >>>> that >>there is a >multicast problem and how to
>>>>> fix the >>>> problem, >>and also >re-explain how the AG is
>>>>> using >>>> multicast. There >>is already >an AGDP doc
>>>>> about these but >>>> apparently >>everyone (mostly node
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> operators) wanted to >>>> have the >>network people
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> attend such a >session. It looks >>>> like in >>many cases
>>>>> , the network person is >not very >>>> familiar with >>the
>>>>> AG and the node operator is not >very >>>> familiar with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> networking! How technical it should be? >>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not very sure >>about this. >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have talked to Greg and he is not sure what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> can >>>>>>>> prepare for a meeting like this. How
>>>>> technical he >>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can >>>>make it etc. He would like to know more
>>>>>>>>> specifically >>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> what >>you would like to get out of a multicast
>>>>>>>>>>> presentation. >>Thank you and have a good weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do so. June 7 sounds good to me. If it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> close >for the presenter(s) any time would do, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> guess. >>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to ask the networking people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>would like to give a presentation? If so
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> then >>>> maybe >>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>could do the presentation at the next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Town >>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hall >>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on >>June >>7. One of the people might have a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> problem with 8 >>>>>> >>am, but >>I can find out. Let me
>>>>> know or let >>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> me >>know >>about another >>time. Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you indeed for your response. You are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >replied to this suggestion yet. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> cc-ing >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>they are >also interested in such a session
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> at >>>>>> TACC. >>>>Having the talk >on a Town Hall is a
>>>>> great >>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> idea. >>I am >>>>thinking that the >summer might not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> be a >>>> good >>time as >>>>people go on vacation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, we >>>> could have >>it >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever >>the speakers are >available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen >>any other responses either. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> willing >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>lead >>such a meeting, but I am willing to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> try >>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and >>get >>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>speaker >>for you. One of the Network people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> at >>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LBNL >>is >>quite >>versed in Multicasting and I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> think >>>>>> that he >>might >>be >>willing to give a
>>>>> talk and I >>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> could >>try to >>get the >>person >>at ESNet who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> isolates >>>> the >>multicast >>troubles on >>ESNet. >>Let
>>>>> me know what you >>>> >>think. Maybe >>it could be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> done on a >>Town Hall >>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> meeting. Thank you, >>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A suggestion poped up at the AG retreat on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> organizing >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AG >session for network staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is to have one person or more share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, >>>>>how-tos, tips, etc...on AG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> network >>>>>>>> support. How does >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>sound? Is there anyone out there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> willing to >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>such >>>session? Node operators too would
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> indeed >>benefit >>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >some of us (at least myself)are not very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> network >>>>>>>>"literate". >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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