[AG-TECH] Re: AG Retreat 2003
Barbara A. Kucera
bkucera at ncsa.uiuc.edu
Mon Mar 31 11:56:01 CST 2003
Hi Many,
You're correct, I did miss that. I've seen Mike Papka's offer to you and
think that sounds like a reasonable solution to an unreasonable
situation. I hope it all works out well for you and that we can avoid this
type of situation in the future.
Barbara
------------
At 10:59 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, Many Ayromlou wrote:
>Hi Barbra,
>
>I understand everything you have mentioned below. But I think you missed part
>of my message. We were told that even if the AG Retreat was taking place in
>McDonald or Burger King somewhere, I would not be able to attend (The reason
>given was that DOE was a sponsor of the conference). Can you please explain
>that to me?
>
>TTYL
>Many
>
>
>
>On March 31, 2003 10:06 am, Barbara A. Kucera wrote:
> > Get real, Michael. It is unfortunate that Many won't be able to attend the
> > Ag-tech Retreat, but Argonne is a national laboratory with very high
> > security constraints. We are a nation at war, whether we agree with it or
> > not. I have already responded to Many privately, and suggested that there
> > are ways he might be reimbursed for his financial outlay. I'm sure that
> > the folks at ANL are very disappointed too, partly for the reason that you
> > mention . . . that this is an international activity and should be freely
> > participated in as such.
> >
> > Let's spend out energies trying to find solutions rather than compounding
> > the problems.
> >
> > I might remind you that Canadians are Americans too.
> >
> > Barbara
> > ------------
> >
> > At 07:54 PM 3/28/2003 -0500, mmurphy at ryerson.ca wrote:
> > >Many:
> > >
> > >This is simply outrageous. I didn't know that the USA had second-class
> > >citizenship for some Canadians. What an absolute disgrace! Is the US
> > >government also preventing its own US citizens who were born in "certain
> > >countries" from attending? I thought this project was all about open
> > >source development around the world.
> > >
> > >Sadly, I am angered but not surprised. I will NOT be attending. I was born
> > >in Canada, but my ancestors came from Ireland, so who knows when we will
> > >be next.
> > >
> > >Michael
> > >
> > >Michael J. Murphy, P.Eng., PhD
> > >Professor and Head of Audio & New Media
> > >School of Radio & Television Arts
> > >Ryerson University, Toronto Canada
> > >tel:(416) 979-5000 ext. 7010
> > >fax: (416) 979-5246
> > >e-mail: mmurphy at ryerson.ca
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Many Ayromlou <mayromlo at ryerson.ca>
> >
> > >Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:27 pm
> > >Subject: AG Retreat 2003
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > As the principal technical support person for the AG project at
> > > > Ryerson
> > > > University, I'm writing this to inform everyone of the regulations
> > > > that have
> > > > been put into place for agretreat 2003 by the Department Of Energy
> > > > and how
> > > > this has affected me. I'm a researcher currently working from
> > > > Ryerson
> > > > University in Toronto, Canada. I'm a Canadian Citizen and have
> > > > been living in
> > > > Cananda for 16 years. Previous to that I lived in Salzburg,
> > > > Austria for 5
> > > > years. I was also born in Tehran, Iran 34 years ago in September 1969.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see below the AG Retreat 2003 was announced on Sat.
> > > > March 01 2003
> > > > in the following Email that went out on this list:
> > > >
> > > > On March 1, 2003 09:02 pm, Michael E. Papka wrote:
> > > > > ACCESS GRID RETREAT 2003
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/fl/events/agr2003/
> > > > >
> > > > > The Access Grid Technical Retreat 2003 will be taking place at
> > > >
> > > > Argonne> National Laboratory, April 15-16, 2003. Program topics
> > > > are provided below,
> > > >
> > > > > with the major
> > > > > focus on moving the community from AG 1.0 to AG 2.0 and
> > > >
> > > > increasing the
> > > >
> > > > > community involvement in the development of tools and
> > > >
> > > > infrastructure for
> > > >
> > > > > AG 2.0. There will be a nominal registration fee for this
> > > >
> > > > retreat (details
> > > >
> > > > > follow).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > PROGRAM Topics:
> > > > >
> > > > > PLENARY TRACK
> > > > > How does the AG become platform for Grid computing?
> > > > > How to build a community?
> > > > > Security
> > > > > AG X.X wish list
> > > > > Innovative uses of the AG
> > > > > Use of the AG in private sector
> > > > > Scheduling
> > > > > SCGlobal
> > > > >
> > > > > DEVELOPERS TRACK
> > > > > Building applications on top the AG 2.0 platform.
> > > > > Extensions to Virtual Venues (Core, Services, Applications)
> > > > > Voyager 2.0 architecture
> > > > > Globus
> > > > > pyglobus
> > > > > AG 2.0 packaging and install
> > > > >
> > > > > USERS TRACK
> > > > > Development status and timelines geared towards users.
> > > > > Bringing folks into AG community
> > > > > Troubleshooting AG sessions
> > > > > Operation of AG 2.0
> > > > > Effects of AG 2.0 on meeting and event planning
> > > > > Issues of interest to managers
> > > > >
> > > > > LOCATION INFORMATION:
> > > > > Argonne National Laboratory
> > > > > 9700 South Cass Avenue
> > > > > Argonne, Illinois 60439
> > > > > 630.252.2000
> > > > >
> > > > > AG RETREAT LOCATION:
> > > > > Advanced Photon Source (APS) Conference Center
> > > > > Building 402, APS Auditorium
> > > > >
> > > > > REGISTRATION FEES:
> > > > > $35 for Argonne employees
> > > > > $50 for U.S. Department of Energy employees
> > > > > $85 for all others organizations
> > > > > (All payment information and options found on AG Retreat 2003
> > > >
> > > > website> listed above.)
> > > >
> > > > > MEETING REGISTRATION:
> > > > > You need to formally register for these meetings.
> > > > > Registration is REQUIRED in order to enter Argonne's site.
> > > >
> > > > Please read over
> > > >
> > > > > the AG Retreat 2003 web pages listed above for detailed information.
> > > > >
> > > > > Deadline for housing is March 28, 2003.
> > > > > Deadline for registration will be determined upon volume of
> > > >
> > > > attendees> registered.
> > > >
> > > > > Deadline for registration of all non-U.S. citizens is 10 days
> > > >
> > > > prior to
> > > >
> > > > > their arrival onsite.
> > > > >
> > > > > HOTEL ARRANGEMENTS:
> > > > > Deadline is March 28, 2003
> > > > > Please note, the above meeting registration will only "register"
> > > >
> > > > you for
> > > >
> > > > > attendance at the meeting. You will need to call the hotel
> > > >
> > > > directly to make
> > > >
> > > > > your room arrangements. To make hotel arrangements, please contact:
> > > > >
> > > > > Argonne Guest House (Marriott Hotel)
> > > > > Argonne National Laboratory
> > > > > 9700 South Cass Avenue - Building 460
> > > > > Argonne, IL 60439
> > > > > Reservations: (800) 632-8990 or (630) 739-6000
> > > > > Fax: (630) 739-1000
> > > > > argonne-guest-house at anl.gov
> > > > > The rate is $65.00
> > > > >
> > > > > GENERAL INFORMATION:
> > > > > You will need to bring your driver's license for entry to the
> > > >
> > > > Laboratory.> If you are from a DOE Laboratory, please bring your
> > > > badge with you. If you
> > > >
> > > > > will be off-normal hours, please proceed directly to the guard
> > > >
> > > > gate. If you
> > > >
> > > > > are arriving on 8:30-5 Monday through Friday, please stop at the
> > > >
> > > > Argonne> Information Center.
> > > >
> > > > > VISITOR PAGES: http://www-
> > > >
> > > > fp.mcs.anl.gov/division/information/visitors/> Argonne Home Page:
> > > > http://www.anl.gov/OPA/anlil.html> Chicago Area Map:
> > > > http://www.anl.gov/OPA/photo/chimap3.gif> Argonne Site Map:
> > > > http://www.anl.gov/OPA/ilsitemap.html>
> > > >
> > > > > Limousine Information:
> > > > > The following are available limousine services between O'Hare or
> > > >
> > > > Midway> Airport and ANL. To make advance reservations call:
> > > > American Limousine
> > > >
> > > > > 630-920-8888 United Limousine 630/969-3865 or out of state
> > > >
> > > > 800/826-034
> > > >
> > > > > Argonne National Laboratory is about 45 minutes by car from each
> > > >
> > > > of the two
> > > >
> > > > > major Chicago airports, O'Hare and Midway. Limousine service is
> > > >
> > > > available> from each airport, and major car rental agencies serve
> > > > both airports. (Make
> > > >
> > > > > sure limousine takes you all the way to conference center,
> > > >
> > > > hotel, or
> > > >
> > > > > building destination.)
> > > >
> > > > My manager and I registered for this conference (thru fax) on Fri.
> > > > March 21
> > > > 2003 (see below for the response from anl):
> > > >
> > > > On March 21, 2003 02:11 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > We have received your registration form for the Access Grid
> > > >
> > > > Retreat 2003.
> > > >
> > > > > Please remember to make your accommodation arrangements directly
> > > >
> > > > with the
> > > >
> > > > > hotel. The number for the Argonne Guest House is 800. 632.8990 or
> > > > > 630.739.6000. A block of rooms has been reserved under the
> > > >
> > > > meeting name
> > > >
> > > > > "Access Grid Retreat". Please reference that when you make your
> > > > > reservation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please enter Argonne at the Northgate entrance on Cass Avenue.
> > > >
> > > > If you do
> > > >
> > > > > not have a U.S. Department of Energy badge, you need to go to
> > > >
> > > > the Argonne
> > > >
> > > > > Information Center, identify yourself as an attendee at the
> > > >
> > > > Retreat, and
> > > >
> > > > > pick up your Gate Pass. You must prominently display your pass
> > > >
> > > > while on
> > > >
> > > > > site. After normal business hours and on weekends, your name
> > > >
> > > > will be at
> > > >
> > > > > the Guard Post. A photo I.D., such as a driver's license or
> > > >
> > > > passport, is
> > > >
> > > > > required for site access. All vehicles entering the site are
> > > >
> > > > subject to
> > > >
> > > > > search.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A second confirmation will be sent to you when your credit is
> > > >
> > > > processed for
> > > >
> > > > > the $85 registration fee.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Marianne (630.252.5587)
> > > >
> > > > On the same day I also booked a flight from Lasvegas to Chicago,
> > > > since I'm
> > > > down in vegas for the NAB conference (National Association of
> > > > Broadcasters).
> > > > I also did hotel reservations at the hotel on ANL Campus. All this
> > > > has cost
> > > > me directly C$1500 (Had to burn my CC since I was buying the
> > > > ticket online).
> > > >
> > > > Today I received an Email from Michael Papka telling me that I can
> > > > NOT attend
> > > > this years conference because I was born (literally) in the WRONG
> > > > COUNTRY!!!
> > > >
> > > > On March 25, 2003 11:24 am, you wrote:
> > > > > Many,
> > > > >
> > > > > New guidance from the DOE requires additional review and
> > > >
> > > > approvals for
> > > >
> > > > > persons from particular countries and this process may take from
> > > >
> > > > 60 to 120
> > > >
> > > > > days to complete. We regret we cannot accept your registration
> > > >
> > > > for the
> > > >
> > > > > Access Grid Retreat 2003 this year. We will be happy to provide
> > > >
> > > > you with
> > > >
> > > > > proceedings post-meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael E. Papka
> > > > > Futures Laboratory
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The following participant was successfully registered for the
> > > >
> > > > Access Grid
> > > >
> > > > > 2003 Retreat.
> > > > > (remember it is the place of birth, not citizenship at issue now)
> > > > >
> > > > > >Name : Many Ayromlou
> > > > > >Company : Ryerson University
> > > > > >Address :
> > > > > >350 Victoria Street
> > > > > >City, State ZIP : Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3
> > > > > >Country : Canada
> > > > > >Phone : 416-979-5000 x7642
> > > > > >Fax : 416-979-5203
> > > > > >Email : mayromlo at ryerson.ca
> > > > > >Track : developer
> > > > > >Arrival Date : 04/13/03
> > > > > >Departure Date : 04/17/03
> > > > > >Registration Type : General ($85)
> > > > > >Special Needs :
> > > > > >None
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This participant is a Non-U.S. Citizen. The relevant citizenship
> > > > > >information follows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Country of Citizenship : Canada
> > > > > >Place of Birth : Tehran, Iran
> > > > > >Date of Birth : 09/07/69
> > > > > >Passport : %%%%%%%
> > > > > >Passport Exipration : Nov. 01, 2005
> > > > > >Immigrent Alien : no
> > > > > >Gender : male
> > > > > >Duties :
> > > > > >IT Specialist - ResearchAG
> > > >
> > > > Now considering that ANL only announced the conrefence URL's on
> > > > March 1, how
> > > > was I supposed to get clearance fully 60-120 days prioir. Also why
> > > > was this
> > > > not mentioned on the registration website at the time I
> > > > registered. I've now
> > > > spent a lot of money out of my own pocket to attend this
> > > > conference which I
> > > > can not get back (no refunds on plane ticket and I have no idea
> > > > what happens
> > > > to the hotel reservation).
> > > >
> > > > I was about to send this email out to the list on Tuesday March
> > > > 25, but I
> > > > didn't. My manager has since talked to Mary Fritsch and Michael
> > > > Papka and
> > > > they have been more than willing to try to help with this matter
> > > > (Thank you
> > > > guys). But it turns out that even if the conference was not taking
> > > > place on
> > > > ANL grounds, since DOE is sponsering the conference the same rules
> > > > would
> > > > apply.
> > > >
> > > > I have no beef with the ANL staff since they have been trying to
> > > > get this
> > > > resolved on my behalf. I just wanted everyone to know....up to
> > > > this point I
> > > > thought AccessGrid was a worldwide phenomena.....but apprently not
> > > > according
> > > > to DOE.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Many Ayromlou
> > > > System Engineer, Research and Projects
> > > > Ryerson University.
> >
> > ________________
> > Barbara A. Kucera
> > Alliance/NSF EPSCoR Liaison
> > National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
> > (217) 244-0131 * Fax (217) 244-2909
> >
> > Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about
> > telescopes. - Edsger W. Dijkstra, computer science professor
________________
Barbara A. Kucera
Alliance/NSF EPSCoR Liaison
National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
(217) 244-0131 * Fax (217) 244-2909
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about
telescopes. - Edsger W. Dijkstra, computer science professor
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