[AG-TECH] AG Lobby Policies
Ivan Judson
judson at mcs.anl.gov
Wed Mar 13 09:29:58 CST 2002
I don't wanna start doing social policy engineering, but posting by the
venue admin isn't a bad idea (although I don't even want to deal with
posting myself)
--ivan
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Lisa Childers wrote:
> The lobby was originally conceived as a big place where people come and go,
> similar to a lobby in a physical building. All sorts of interactions might
> happen here. I would argue that social interactions should not discouraged
> in the venues.accessgrid.org lobby, but common sense should rule (as it does
> in physical lobbies everywhere.)
>
> It sounds like Jeffrey's node is in the middle of a room in which silence is
> required. While having the lobby be "lobby-like" may not work for Jeffrey's
> installation, I would resist imposing his constraints on the entire AG.
>
> As an aside, the host of the venues server sets the policy for its own
> venues, so other venues servers might have lobbies with different policies.
> Hmmm... do we need a way for social policies for a venue to be posted for
> visitors to review?
>
> Lisa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On
> Behalf Of Ivan Judson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:58 AM
> To: eschbach at labs.mot.com
> Cc: Tom Coffin; Sergeant A. G. Tech; Don Morton
> Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] AG Lobby Policies
>
>
>
> Hey,
>
> filling out the list of spaces we're describing;
>
> Library (hangout doing stuff, but quietly)
> Lobby (generally not that busy, but a place for information -- hmmm, like
> the meadow)
> Bar (place for loud and raucaus interactions, including throwing virtual
> pretzels at the bad karaoke singers)
>
> Ok I'm sure I'm missing something, but the current lobby doesn't fit any
> of these :-)
>
> So, what's the real plan, leave the lobby the way it is, make it one of
> the above and create the other 2 spaces, or just do stuff and let it work
> itself out?
>
> I tend to vote for #3, being informal by nature. Talk, yell, throw
> virtual pretzels in the lobby, but if someone leaves or says, "shhhhh",
> don't get offended :-)
>
> --Ivan
>
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey Eschbach wrote:
>
> > > The VV needs a "Lounge" and/or a "Bar"
> > > what the heck let's make it a "Tiki Poolside Bar"
> >
> > Perfect! I like the idea of hanging out in the lobby during the day,
> > but heading over to the bar after hours for more
> > fun/noise/conversation. Of course you can hang out in the bar 24/7
> > (just like real bars), or just stay in the more serene (but not
> > completely silent) lounge.
> >
> > And naming it the "Tiki Poolside Bar" would be the icing on the cake!
> >
> > > > - If you start having a long/specific discussion (more than a
> > > > couple of minutes), then migrate over to a specific venue.
> > >
> > > This is where I start to have reservations - in some respects
> > > (and maybe it's just me), I have this vision of the lobby
> > > as a spontaneous meeting place - I might notice Bob Huebert
> >
> > I like the spontaneity, but that will go away once people start
> > regularly turning off RAT. We leave our space on all of the time, and I
> > would have to turn off RAT during the day if there were long
> > conversations regularly going on there.
> >
> > Soooo, nodes could hang out in the lobby or bar, with the expectation
> > that the lobby is normally quiet (although you can of course speak up to
> > contact someone), and the bar is, well, more like a bar.... Two
> > designated hangout areas should not be too difficult.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Coffin wrote:
> > >
> > > The VV needs a "Lounge" and/or a "Bar"
> > > what the heck let's make it a "Tiki Poolside Bar"
> > >
> > > __________________________________________
> > > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey Eschbach wrote:
> > >
> > > > > If folks don't want audio intruding in their nodes, they
> > > > > should have the rat listen turned off, or not have the node
> > > > > in the lobby ..
> > > >
> > > > I agree that talking in the lobby is fair game, but I fear a
> > > > bunch of people muting their RAT (which would be a shame) if
> > > > general noise or long conversations become commonplace there.
> > > >
> > > > How about this for standard lobby "etiquette":
> > > >
> > > > - Nodes in the lobby should regularly leave their RAT "listen"
> > > > on, and their "talk" off. That way you will hear if someone
> > > > speaks up in the lobby, but your everyday conversation will
> > > > not fill the lobby venue.
> > > > - Feel free to contact someone by turning on your RAT "talk",
> > > > but turn it off after the conversation is over.
> > > > - If you start having a long/specific discussion (more than a
> > > > couple of minutes), then migrate over to a specific venue.
> > > >
> > > > This way we don't get the everyday noises going across the lobby,
> > > > you can speak up and contact someone and have some confidence
> > > > that they are listening, and fewer people will turn off RAT which
> > > > helps maintain the "shared" nature of the space.
> > > >
> > > > Well that's my 2 cents worth... feel free to bash away. ;)
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I second bob (and don's) inclination, I think the lobby is fair
> game. We'll probably have some exciting accidental converstaions and that's
> half the point.
> > > > >
> > > > > --Ivan
> > > > >
> > > > > PS -- remember you never know who's at the nodes in the lobby...
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On Behalf Of Robert Olson
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:55 PM
> > > > > To: Don Morton; Sergeant A. G. Tech
> > > > > Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] AG Lobby Policies
> > > > >
> > > > > The way I see it, it's fair game to chat in the lobby. If
> folks don't want audio intruding in their nodes, they should have the rat
> listen turned off,
> > > > > or not have the node in the lobby ..
> > > > >
> > > > > --bob
> > > > >
> > > > > At 04:16 PM 3/12/2002 -0700, Don Morton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All, I'm confused on the policies for "hanging out" in
> the
> > > > > AG Lobby. I recall when I first came into the community
> > > > > about a year ago I was warned that I really shouldn't
> get
> > > > > on the mic and start talking with folks yet, stuff I
> heard
> > > > > prior to then and stuff I heard at the Retreat last week
> > > > > suggested that, in fact, it "is" a Lobby and it's fair
> game
> > > > > to jump in and hold random conversations, etc., possibly
> > > > > under the premise that folks who don't want to hear it
> can
> > > > > turn their audio off.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, what "is" the AG Lobby policy (I ask because I see
> > > > > my friends in Fairbanks coming in, and I"m gonna start
> > > > > talking with them, by golly!!! :) ).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Jeff Eschbach eschbach at motorola.com
> > > > Networks and Infrastructure Research
> > > > Senior Staff Engineer, Motorola Labs Internet2 Initiative
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> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Jeff Eschbach eschbach at motorola.com
> > Networks and Infrastructure Research
> > Senior Staff Engineer, Motorola Labs Internet2 Initiative
> > http://internet2.motlabs.com Fax: (847) 576-3240
> > Desk: (847) 538-5846 Mobile: (847) 980-2240
> >
> >
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