[AG-TECH] AG Lobby Policies
Lisa Childers
childers at mcs.anl.gov
Wed Mar 13 09:26:21 CST 2002
The lobby was originally conceived as a big place where people come and go,
similar to a lobby in a physical building. All sorts of interactions might
happen here. I would argue that social interactions should not discouraged
in the venues.accessgrid.org lobby, but common sense should rule (as it does
in physical lobbies everywhere.)
It sounds like Jeffrey's node is in the middle of a room in which silence is
required. While having the lobby be "lobby-like" may not work for Jeffrey's
installation, I would resist imposing his constraints on the entire AG.
As an aside, the host of the venues server sets the policy for its own
venues, so other venues servers might have lobbies with different policies.
Hmmm... do we need a way for social policies for a venue to be posted for
visitors to review?
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On
Behalf Of Ivan Judson
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 8:58 AM
To: eschbach at labs.mot.com
Cc: Tom Coffin; Sergeant A. G. Tech; Don Morton
Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] AG Lobby Policies
Hey,
filling out the list of spaces we're describing;
Library (hangout doing stuff, but quietly)
Lobby (generally not that busy, but a place for information -- hmmm, like
the meadow)
Bar (place for loud and raucaus interactions, including throwing virtual
pretzels at the bad karaoke singers)
Ok I'm sure I'm missing something, but the current lobby doesn't fit any
of these :-)
So, what's the real plan, leave the lobby the way it is, make it one of
the above and create the other 2 spaces, or just do stuff and let it work
itself out?
I tend to vote for #3, being informal by nature. Talk, yell, throw
virtual pretzels in the lobby, but if someone leaves or says, "shhhhh",
don't get offended :-)
--Ivan
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey Eschbach wrote:
> > The VV needs a "Lounge" and/or a "Bar"
> > what the heck let's make it a "Tiki Poolside Bar"
>
> Perfect! I like the idea of hanging out in the lobby during the day,
> but heading over to the bar after hours for more
> fun/noise/conversation. Of course you can hang out in the bar 24/7
> (just like real bars), or just stay in the more serene (but not
> completely silent) lounge.
>
> And naming it the "Tiki Poolside Bar" would be the icing on the cake!
>
> > > - If you start having a long/specific discussion (more than a
> > > couple of minutes), then migrate over to a specific venue.
> >
> > This is where I start to have reservations - in some respects
> > (and maybe it's just me), I have this vision of the lobby
> > as a spontaneous meeting place - I might notice Bob Huebert
>
> I like the spontaneity, but that will go away once people start
> regularly turning off RAT. We leave our space on all of the time, and I
> would have to turn off RAT during the day if there were long
> conversations regularly going on there.
>
> Soooo, nodes could hang out in the lobby or bar, with the expectation
> that the lobby is normally quiet (although you can of course speak up to
> contact someone), and the bar is, well, more like a bar.... Two
> designated hangout areas should not be too difficult.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> Tom Coffin wrote:
> >
> > The VV needs a "Lounge" and/or a "Bar"
> > what the heck let's make it a "Tiki Poolside Bar"
> >
> > __________________________________________
> > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Jeffrey Eschbach wrote:
> >
> > > > If folks don't want audio intruding in their nodes, they
> > > > should have the rat listen turned off, or not have the node
> > > > in the lobby ..
> > >
> > > I agree that talking in the lobby is fair game, but I fear a
> > > bunch of people muting their RAT (which would be a shame) if
> > > general noise or long conversations become commonplace there.
> > >
> > > How about this for standard lobby "etiquette":
> > >
> > > - Nodes in the lobby should regularly leave their RAT "listen"
> > > on, and their "talk" off. That way you will hear if someone
> > > speaks up in the lobby, but your everyday conversation will
> > > not fill the lobby venue.
> > > - Feel free to contact someone by turning on your RAT "talk",
> > > but turn it off after the conversation is over.
> > > - If you start having a long/specific discussion (more than a
> > > couple of minutes), then migrate over to a specific venue.
> > >
> > > This way we don't get the everyday noises going across the lobby,
> > > you can speak up and contact someone and have some confidence
> > > that they are listening, and fewer people will turn off RAT which
> > > helps maintain the "shared" nature of the space.
> > >
> > > Well that's my 2 cents worth... feel free to bash away. ;)
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I second bob (and don's) inclination, I think the lobby is fair
game. We'll probably have some exciting accidental converstaions and that's
half the point.
> > > >
> > > > --Ivan
> > > >
> > > > PS -- remember you never know who's at the nodes in the lobby...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
[mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On Behalf Of Robert Olson
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:55 PM
> > > > To: Don Morton; Sergeant A. G. Tech
> > > > Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] AG Lobby Policies
> > > >
> > > > The way I see it, it's fair game to chat in the lobby. If
folks don't want audio intruding in their nodes, they should have the rat
listen turned off,
> > > > or not have the node in the lobby ..
> > > >
> > > > --bob
> > > >
> > > > At 04:16 PM 3/12/2002 -0700, Don Morton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All, I'm confused on the policies for "hanging out" in
the
> > > > AG Lobby. I recall when I first came into the community
> > > > about a year ago I was warned that I really shouldn't
get
> > > > on the mic and start talking with folks yet, stuff I
heard
> > > > prior to then and stuff I heard at the Retreat last week
> > > > suggested that, in fact, it "is" a Lobby and it's fair
game
> > > > to jump in and hold random conversations, etc., possibly
> > > > under the premise that folks who don't want to hear it
can
> > > > turn their audio off.
> > > >
> > > > So, what "is" the AG Lobby policy (I ask because I see
> > > > my friends in Fairbanks coming in, and I"m gonna start
> > > > talking with them, by golly!!! :) ).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Jeff Eschbach eschbach at motorola.com
> > > Networks and Infrastructure Research
> > > Senior Staff Engineer, Motorola Labs Internet2 Initiative
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