[AG-TECH] IGMPv3, Source Specific Multicast, fully supported in Windows XP
eschbach at motorola.com
Fri Aug 16 10:49:30 CDT 2002
Well I'll take a stab at this... Bill or anyone else, feel free to add
to my reply (and correct any errors :).
> Three sites, Foo, Bar, and Nee. All are sending multicast data to the
> same routable multicast group address.
First off, I think it's important to know if your group address is
within the SSM range or not (typically 18.104.22.168/8). You will have
different behavior if you use this SSM range versus the remaining ASM
range. I'll assume the SSM range and therefore no Rendezvous Point
involvement for my reply.
> Foo sends a SSM request to only get traffic from Bar. Are the following
> If Bar's edge devices support IGMPv3, no effect since it's traffic is
> being requested.
OK... Bar's traffic will go to Foo.
> If Nee's edge devices support IGMPv3 and Foo is the only requestor, then
> the traffic won't leave Nee's network. If Nee's edge doesn't support
> IGMPv3, the traffic will go onto the backbone.
No traffic should enter the backbone if sending to an SSM address if no
receivers have joined. I don't think IGMPv3 actually is involved on the
source side... the router just needs to know that it should not forward
traffic in the SSM range unless it has received a join. (For ASM range,
traffic would go to the RP and then receive a "register stop" to keep
the traffic from leaving the network.)
> If Foo's edge devices support IGMPv3, then Nee's traffic will be
> filtered at the Edge and will not reach Foo.
OK (but see previous answer).
> If the edge router for each site supports IGMPv3, if the goal is
> reducing traffic over the backbone and across the Internet2 POP, does it
> matter if the switches behind the edge router support IGMPv3?
I don't think so, as long as your edge device supported IGMPv3.
Hope that helped,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Nickless [mailto:nickless at mcs.anl.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:36 PM
> To: Jay Beavers
> Cc: ag-tech at accessgrid.org
> Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] IGMPv3, Source Specific Multicast, fully
> supported in Windows XP
> At 10:01 PM 8/15/2002 -0700, Jay Beavers wrote:
> >Since I'm not a router bithead, can anyone give me a heads up if I
> >expect SSM to "just work" between Internet2 nodes? Or might there be
> Hi Jay,
> To answer your specific question: the Internet2 Abilene network is ready
> and capable of running SSM, and has been for well over a year.
> That being said, the problem with SSM deployment revolves around the
> for network edge devices like switches and routers to support IGMPv3.
> difficult to find Ethernet switches that support IGMPv3, and they're not
> the most economical choices.
> In a strange inversion of the normal situation, the backbone is capable
> SSM service well before the local area networks of the connected sites.
> you can find a site that supports SSM/IGMPv3 locally, it's a pretty good
> bet that they can do SSM with most all other similar sites.
> Bill Nickless http://www.mcs.anl.gov/people/nickless +1 630 252
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Jeff Eschbach eschbach at motorola.com
Networks and Infrastructure Research
Senior Staff Engineer, Motorola Labs Internet2 Initiative
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