Grid node at eXCHANGE?
Jon Dugan
jdugan at ncsa.uiuc.edu
Sat Sep 23 09:37:17 CDT 2000
Robert & Karen,
What bandwidth will be available to the showfloor? Where does that
connection go? Can you put me in touch with the networking folks for
eXCHANGE?
Marty Hoag sent email included a snippet from another email suggesting there
was only a T1, but didn't cite where that info came from.
In order to use the Litton boxes we need more than a T1 and we need it to a
high performance network. We need to know more about the network before we
can decide wheter or not to do the Litton boxes.
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 05:16:14PM -0500, Rick Stevens wrote:
> I think the easiest and best solution is what Jon Dugan proposed.
>
> It would also make it simpler for NCSA to organize the Litton gear
> as they are familiar with it.. Jon can you make that happen ?
>
> --Rick
>
> At 05:14 PM 9/22/2000 -0500, Karen Green wrote:
> >Rick, and ag-tech:
> >
> >I really appreciate the time you've given this question of how to
> >teleconference Dan into the Intel eXCHANGE. Since time is short, it would
> >be great if you could tell me what you think the best solution is and what
> >needs to be done to make that solution happen. Keep in mind we are talking
> >about an event that is less than three weeks away and only a few weeks
> >before SC2000. Also, the booth at eXCHANGE will have only T1 networking.
> >
> >My goal is to come to some kind of decision on this by COB Monday. Again,
> >thanks to all on the ag-tech list for their help.
> >
> >Karen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 10:15 AM 9/22/00 -0500, Lisa Childers wrote:
> > >To my mind, the crux of the question is the context in which Dan wishes to
> > >present himself. I can imagine that it would be very compelling to show Dan
> > >on a display surrounded by remote audiences across the Access Grid.
> > >However, as this would be for many in the commercial world their first
> > >impression of the AG, great care should be taken to do it right.
> > >
> > >Lisa
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On
> > >Behalf Of Jon Dugan
> > >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 10:11 PM
> > >To: Fogel, Robert
> > >Cc: 'Karen Green'; Rick Stevens; ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > >Subject: Re: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
> > >
> > >
> > > About 18 months ago Larry Smarr gave a talk at the Internet 2 members
> > > meeting in Portland, Oregon from an office here in Champaign.
> > >
> > > We used a very nice audio/video codec from Litton for this. It was a PC
> > > that you hook a microphone and video camera up to on one side and an
> > > ethernet on the other. The catch is that it used quite a bit of a bit of
> > > bandwidth (3-10Mb/sec). The video quality was quite good. I don't have
> > > much experience with the ISDN based systems, but I was fairly impressed
> > >with
> > > the Litton box. More information about the Litton box can be obtained
> > >from:
> > >
> > > http://www.netaccsys.com/video/index.htm
> > >
> > > I think for this kind of presentation we definitely want higher quality
> > > video than the Access Grid currently provides.
> > >
> > > Bob, when you refer to a high bandwidth internet connection in San
> > > Fransisco, what kind of connection are you talking about? Ideally you
> > >would
> > > connect to Abilene (Internet 2) or vBNS. In fact Internet 2 has some
> > >Litton
> > > boxes that they loan out:
> > >
> > > http://apps.internet2.edu/roadshows/litton.htm
> > >
> > > Bill Nickless/Bob Olson/Lisa Childers -- comments?
> > >
> > >On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:58:07AM -0700, Fogel, Robert wrote:
> > >> You can also reach me at the number below. During the week of 10/9, Intel
> > >> is hosting the first official rollout of IA-64 and Itanium. The event
> > >> (called the "eXCHANGE") will host over 5000 OEMs, ISVs, EBSPs and
> > >End-Users
> > >> aligned to deliver IA-64 based solutions and products. Key Notes will be
> > >> delivered by Intel's Andy Grove, Craig Barrett, Paul S. Otellini, HP's
> > >Carly
> > >> Fiorina, IBM's John M. Thompson and Microsoft's Bill Gates.
> > >>
> > >> The eXCHANGE is also setting up seven 15 minute live interviews with key
> > >> technology leaders/innovators, and they would like Dan Reed to
> > >participate.
> > >> Since Dan is unable to make the engagement in person, the idea came up to
> > >> use the access grid and a live video feed from Champaign for the
> > >interview.
> > >> This would be a great PR angle: delivering a message for the future of
> > >> computing using the next generation communications infrastructure...
> > >>
> > >> We don't necessarily expect to setup a grid node at the eXCHANGE itself,
> > >> which is in San Francisco, but perhaps this could be done with a high
> > >> bandwidth internet connection on our end. Please let us know what we
> > >would
> > >> need on our end. Thank you.
> > >>
> > >> Robert Fogel
> > >> 253.371.7075
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Karen Green [mailto:kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu]
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:00 AM
> > >> To: Rick Stevens; Karen Green; ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > >> Cc: robert.fogel at intel.com
> > >> Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Rick:
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure Bob or somebody else at Intel can tell you the tech specs for the
> > >> booth. If someone wants to contact him direct, email is
> > >> robert.fogel at intel.com. Please keep me in the loop on this. Thanks for the
> > >> help.
> > >>
> > >> Karen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 05:57 PM 9/20/00 -0500, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > >> >Karen, the ANL team is happy to talk to Robert about technical options..
> > >> >Do we know what gear they will have in the booth ?
> > >> >
> > >> >At 04:58 PM 9/20/2000 -0500, Karen Green wrote:
> > >> >>Hi all:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Intel would like to know if they can get a live remote of Dan Reed from
> > >an
> > >> >>NCSA Grid node to the conference floor of their IA-64 rollout in San
> > >> >>Fransico on either 10.11 or 10.12. What are the possibilities here? How
> > >> >>much work and how much equipment would it take? Please read the note
> > >below
> > >> >>and let me know what you think.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>--If we can't run a grid node, what are other options? Dan says an ISDN
> > >> >>conference is one.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>thanks much,
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Karen Green
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >From: "Fogel, Robert" <robert.fogel at intel.com>
> > >> >> >To: "'Karen Green'" <kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> > >> >> >Subject: RE: Dan's interview at the eXCHANGE
> > >> >> >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:25:38 -0700
> > >> >> >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Perhaps we don't need to setup an actual grid node at the eXCHANGE;
> > >> instead,
> > >> >> >we might be able to use an internet link to the grid. I would imagine
> > >> that
> > >> >> >the internet link would have to be relatively high speed, so we would
> > >> need
> > >> >> >to know what we would have to install as soon as possible so we can
> > >get
> > >> that
> > >> >> >lined up. Thanks again Karen.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Robert Fogel
> > >> >> >253.371.7075
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >> >From: Karen Green [mailto:kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu]
> > >> >> >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:01 PM
> > >> >> >To: Fogel, Robert
> > >> >> >Subject: Re: Dan's interview at the eXCHANGE
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >The way jury duty works in Champaign County is this: you go in in the
> > >> >> >morning, you wait around all morning, if you don't get selected for a
> > >> jury,
> > >> >> >you leave around noon. Then you come back the next day and do the same
> > >> >> >thing. In other words, you really don't know in advance when or if you
> > >> will
> > >> >> >be available. I don't know about the call-in thing. But I will check
> > >> with
> > >> >> >Dan.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >As for a live Access Grid node to bring Dan into the booth, it means
> > >we
> > >> >> >would have to set up a Grid node in the booth. I'm not sure what that
> > >> >> >involves in terms of staff time, cost, etc. but I am trying to find
> > >out.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Karen
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >At 12:11 PM 9/20/00 -0700, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>Hey Karen, As we've been discussing, Dan maybe able to be present in
> > >> >> >eSpirit
> > >> >> >>via live video feed. The folks at Intel are very excited at the
> > >> prospect
> > >> >> >of
> > >> >> >>Dan's being able to participate. Understanding that Dan has jury
> > >duty
> > >> >> >>during the eXCHANGE days (10/11 and 10/12), is either one of those
> > >days
> > >> >> >>preferable to Dan? My understanding is that that Dan calls in the
> > >> night
> > >> >> >>before to find out if he has to report on a given day. Thanks.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Robert Fogel
> > >> >> >>253.371.7075
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >---------------------------------------------------
> > >> >> >Karen Green
> > >> >> >Assistant Director for Communications
> > >> >> >National Center for Supercomputing Applications
> > >> >> >605 E. Springfield Ave.
> > >> >> >Champaign, IL 61820
> > >> >> >kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu
> > >> >> >ph: 217-265-0748, fax: 217-244-7396
> > >> >> >http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/
> > >> >> >----------------------------------------------------
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>---------------------------------------------------
> > >> >>Karen Green
> > >> >>Assistant Director for Communications
> > >> >>National Center for Supercomputing Applications
> > >> >>605 E. Springfield Ave.
> > >> >>Champaign, IL 61820
> > >> >>kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu
> > >> >>ph: 217-265-0748, fax: 217-244-7396
> > >> >>http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/
> > >> >>----------------------------------------------------
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------
> > >> Karen Green
> > >> Assistant Director for Communications
> > >> National Center for Supercomputing Applications
> > >> 605 E. Springfield Ave.
> > >> Champaign, IL 61820
> > >> kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu
> > >> ph: 217-265-0748, fax: 217-244-7396
> > >> http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/
> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >--
> > >Jon Dugan | Senior Network Engineer, NCSA Network Development
> > >jdugan at ncsa.uiuc.edu | 57C CAB, 605 E Springfield, Champaign, IL 61820
> > >217/244-7715 | http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/people/jdugan
> > >
> > >
> >---------------------------------------------------
> >Karen Green
> >Assistant Director for Communications
> >National Center for Supercomputing Applications
> >605 E. Springfield Ave.
> >Champaign, IL 61820
> >kareng at ncsa.uiuc.edu
> >ph: 217-265-0748, fax: 217-244-7396
> >http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/
> >----------------------------------------------------
--
Jon Dugan | Senior Network Engineer, NCSA Network Development
jdugan at ncsa.uiuc.edu | 57C CAB, 605 E Springfield, Champaign, IL 61820
217/244-7715 | http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/people/jdugan
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