"new" requirement

[Ivan R. Judson]

These are excellent use case scenarios. We'll be using them to generate
design goals and incorporating it into the roadmap.

--Ivan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Stevens [mailto:stevens at mcs.anl.gov] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:06 PM
> To: Ivan R. Judson
> Cc: 'Terry Disz'; ag-dev at mcs.anl.gov
> Subject: RE: "new" requirement
> 
> 
> I might be able to help here.  What I would like to see 
> ideally is a folder orriented drag and drop interface to the 
> venue.  I note that I don't consider the venue server 
> necessarily directly implementing this functionality but that 
> it would be transparent to a venue user.  A model would be 
> something like iDisk access.  one should be able to double 
> click to launch apps from the venue interface in the venue 
> client (ideally the venue resources would become 
> transparently available to the deskop (as
> folder)  on the machne running the venue client while docked 
> in the venue so explicit copying would not be needed unless 
> one wants to have access to the item after undocking..  For 
> large things we will want a "third party" type interface to 
> grid data stores.. similar to what Dennis was talking about 
> at the middleware review.
> 
> a simple use of this is putting some data and a data viewer 
> to be used on the data in a meeting in the venue for others 
> to gain access too.
> 
> this is the basic functionality needed for the venue to 
> beging to support "shared projects" 
> 
> another use case is I'd like to put all the presentations for 
> a course in a venue along with applications and data for a 
> class.  I would like to get all of this built ahead of time 
> and then publish the venue for the class to use.  In fact if 
> we can get this working this fall I'll use my systems biology 
> class as a test case.
> 
> I can easily see associating a few TBs of data to support an 
> active venue. This is a model that makese sense for the CMC 
> project for example.
> 
> another variation is how we link to databases and database 
> applications in a venue.  I can see having databases (SQL, 
> Oracle, DB2) available via the venue with various 
> applications that can access them.  The idea being that one 
> would not have to re-authenticate to gain access to the 
> databases that have been "associated" with the venue.  not 
> sure exactly how to do this.. but this is what we want to 
> support many of the bioinformatics projects that we are 
> working on or have in the pipeline.
> 
> --Rick
> 
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003, Ivan R. Judson wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> > It's not clear to me the details of this requirement. It'd 
> be really 
> > helpful if you could elaborate with use cases (even simple 
> ones). If 
> > this is the complete requirement I believe it's already 
> been fulfilled 
> > by the DataStore Client API Bob checked in and documented with the 
> > attached PDF.
> >  
> > It's described this way, in mail to ag-dev (which I notice you are 
> > subscribed to):
> >  
> > Within DataStoreClient is a ftp-ish command line client 
> interface to 
> > the
> > datastore. While useful on its own, it provides a set of 
> examples of the 
> > interface to the datastore. To try it out, just run 
> DataStoreClient.py at 
> > the command line
> > Notably, this module introduces methods that reutrn 
> filehandles for reading 
> > from and writing to the venue datastore. The current 
> implementation does 
> > this by simply downloading before read, and uploading after 
> write. However, 
> > they should simplify the use of a venue datastore when 
> those are the 
> > natural operations (for instance, with them one could 
> pickle directly to 
> > and from venue datafiles).
> > Is that sufficient or are you asking for something more?  
> If you're asking
> > for something more, you'll have to provide more detailed 
> requirements.
> > Otherwise, we'll consider this requirement fulfilled..
> > Cheers,
> > --Ivan
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ag-dev at mcs.anl.gov 
> [mailto:owner-ag-dev at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf
> > Of Terry Disz
> > 
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:35 PM
> > To: ag-dev at mcs.anl.gov
> > Subject: "new" requirement
> > 
> > 
> > I need to be able to write and retrieve directly to/from a venue.
> >  
> > Things like open, read, write.
> >  
> > Terry
> > 
>