[Nek5000-users] Pipe with expansion
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Tue Jan 21 10:33:36 CST 2014
Hi paul,
can I make this to be drag or shear quantities to be return to the a
separate file so that it will easy for me to plot.
By the way it gives the integral quantity. Think for example I need to
find the shear stress on the wall from the inlet to outlet at a
particular time = 2 . How can I do that ?
Is there way to find the number of elements in x,y and z direction ?
On 21/01/2014 17:32, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>
> Hi Kamal,
>
> Your integrated drag quantities should be written to the logfile
> (stdout),
> assuming you've set the arguments in the call to be .true.
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I checked the set_obj subroutine and implemented one in my .USR file.
>> The code seem to run without any errors but I don't find where these
>> variables are getting stored.
>>
>> I use VisIT to visualize my output, even there was no change in it.
>>
>> do I have to define my own output file and write the variables out ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kamal.
>>
>>
>> On 20/01/2014 21:52, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kamal,
>>>
>>> You'll need to compute your own tke by manipulating the
>>> velocity fields.
>>>
>>> You can get running averages of the requisite quantities
>>> via calls to "avg_all" which is found in navier5.f
>>>
>>> You can compute shear stress on the wall simply by computing
>>> the drag on the wall, which can be done via a call to torque_calc(),
>>> also found in navier5.f
>>>
>>> If you cd to /examples and type:
>>>
>>> grep torq */*.usr
>>>
>>> you'll find many examples of calls to torque_calc. You simply
>>> need to prescribe the surfaces on which shear is to be integrated.
>>>
>>> I typically write a routine "set_obj" to identify such surfaces
>>> on the first call to usrchk.
>>>
>>> grep set_obj */*.usr
>>>
>>> will show similar examples.
>>>
>>> I would recommend trying this for laminar Poiseiulle flow in
>>> a very simple channel just to check that your calls are properly
>>> set.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and that helped.
>>>>
>>>> Where can I find the variables like Turbulent KE , shear stress on
>>>> the wall. ?
>>>>
>>>> Do i have to activate some parameters for calculating them ?
>>>>
>>>> If I had to plot them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kamal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:41 AM, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kamal,
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks good.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing that one further refinement would be:
>>>>>
>>>>> if (z.gt.z0) scale = 1 + (smax-1)*(z-z0)/(z1-z0)
>>>>> if (z.gt.z1) scale = smax
>>>>>
>>>>> which would yield
>>>>>
>>>>> scale = 1 when z=z0
>>>>> scale = smax when z >= z1
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi paul,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The code works fine, but there should be a small change thats has
>>>>>> to be done
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if (z.gt.z0) scale = 1 + (z /(z1-z0 )))
>>>>>> if (z.gt.z1) scale = smax
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This creates a perfect diverging pipe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the help paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:09 AM, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi paul,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I am not wrong,
>>>>>>> I make a mesh with three straight pipes( inlet, divergent,
>>>>>>> outlet ) connected together via n2to3 so that I know the element
>>>>>>> connectivity places of the divergent section (z0,z1) and use the
>>>>>>> section what you gave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for the code
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 8:45 PM, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kamal,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would do the following in usrdat2():
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> n=nx1*ny1*nz1*nelt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do i=1,n
>>>>>>>> x=xm1(i,1,1,1)
>>>>>>>> y=ym1(i,1,1,1)
>>>>>>>> z=ym1(i,1,1,1)
>>>>>>>> scale = 1.
>>>>>>>> if (z.gt.z0) scale = smax*(z-z0/(z1-z0)
>>>>>>>> if (z.gt.z1) scale = smax
>>>>>>>> xm1(i,1,1,1) = scale*x
>>>>>>>> ym1(i,1,1,1) = scale*y
>>>>>>>> enddo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Make certain that z1 and z0 correspond to z values
>>>>>>>> that precisely coincide with element interfaces.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 19 Jan 2014, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I looked into the Peris example but It is so what same like
>>>>>>>>> the stenosis example with a Cosine deformation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my case it is a pipe with conical divergent. I tried to
>>>>>>>>> play around the variables Xm1, Ym1 and Zm1 but the mapping
>>>>>>>>> doesn't go well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could you please help me with this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 7:26 PM, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I looked at the Helix and stenosis example but they are using
>>>>>>>>>> cosine functions to deform
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I tried to use a tangent function but it bends the whole pipe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I dint look at peris example .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will take a look at it and let you know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 7:22 PM, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you looked at the peris example? The usr file there
>>>>>>>>>>> shows how to deform
>>>>>>>>>>> a pipe geometry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nek5000-users-bounces at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>> [nek5000-users-bounces at lists.mcs.anl.gov] on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>> nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>> [nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:17 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nek5000-users] Pipe with expansion
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I tried many ways to map my straight pipe geometry but it
>>>>>>>>>>> does not seem to work properly
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I used something like
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> X = X + Z * tan ( alpha )
>>>>>>>>>>> Y = Y + Z* tan (alpha )
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> even that dint work. could please help me with this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:24 PM, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks paul. I tried working with the diverging mesh
>>>>>>>>>>>> modification.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried to use this form of equation to modify the mesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> z = mx + b
>>>>>>>>>>>> z = ny + c
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> x = ( z - b ) / m
>>>>>>>>>>>> y = (z - c) / n
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you think would work ? or is there any other way to
>>>>>>>>>>>> input that ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/01/2014 14:14, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.govwrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) To check for convergence, run your simulation for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> increasing polynomial orders ( lx1 in the SIZE file) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> measure some consistent quantity (drag, TKE, etc). You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can plot this quantity against lx1 and this should give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you a good picture of how you are converging (without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needing to change the physical mesh).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) If you weren't using temperature in your simulation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you could do put the following code snippet in your userchk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c-------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> integer i, ntot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ntot = nx1*ny1*nz1*nelv ! total number of points in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation (on THIS processor)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do i = 1,ntot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> t(i,1,1,1,1) = 0.5*(vx(i,1,1,1)**2 + vy(i,1,1,1)**2 +
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vz(i,1,1,1)**2)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enddo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ifto = .true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c-------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've assumed here that your density is unity. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>> computed kinetic energy point-wise and stores it in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature field. The part "ifto = .true." tells Nek to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> output the temperature field whenever it outputs a field
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file. You could then view this in visit just like you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would the velocity field.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will try that mapping, I created a straight pipe to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some simulations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Is there a way to check my spectral convergence, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I can do some mesh convergence study?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Is there a way to plot the kinetic energy in the flow ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/01/2014 12:14, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the geometry you describe, I would apply mesh morphing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a standard straight pipe. You can create such a pipe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a subset of the mkmesh script provided in the expansion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If your transition region is conical, then I woud make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain that the change in slope occurs at element
>>>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i.e., as in the half cross-section depicted below:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /| | |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> / | | |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /| | | |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________/ | | | |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | | | | | |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> | | | | | | | |
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +-----+-----+---+--+---+------+------+----> z
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked at the example and it looks very helpful, but for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sudden expansion we have only two parts (i.e) the inlet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pipe and the outlet pipe. Whereas in a diverging pipe we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have three section (i.e,) The inlet pipe, Diverging
>>>>>>>>>>>>> section and the outlet pipe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible for me to create a 2D diverging section
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using mesh modification and revolve it around the centre
>>>>>>>>>>>>> axis to get a 3d diverging pipe ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or should I apply the mesh modification directly to the 3d
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudden expansion pipe using usrdat2() ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/01/2014 21:09, nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for the update. I will take a look at as soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as possible and keep you updated with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:04 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added an example for a step-type expansion in a pipe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New example directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is nek5_svn/examples/expansion, with a README.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a standard diffuser, I would use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesh-morphing, as outlined in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nek primer, which can be found on this page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nek5000.mcs.anl.gov/index.php/UG#Documentation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also automated our turbulent outflow bc treatment --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one simply provides an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expansion factor (typically ~ 1.5) and two persistent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrays to turb_outflow(), which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is now in navier5.f. This can be useful when very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong vortices are leaving the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> domain, which is possible for certain diffuser flow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conditions (and others).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nek5000-users-bounces at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [nek5000-users-bounces at lists.mcs.anl.gov] on behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofnek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 3:35 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nek5000-users at lists.mcs.anl.gov
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Nek5000-users] Creating a Mesh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can some one please help me in this because I am new to nek
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) How can I create a .rea for a specific geometry say ' A
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sudden
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expansion pipe ' or a ' Diverging pipe '
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) What tool I should use to create that mesh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kamal
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