[POOL] Last night's matches

[Craig Stacey]

I wasn't there (obviously) but I'm totally on board with fighting for  
this.  It sounds like we made a good faith effort to compromise and  
they're renegging.

Also, WRT future plans, I know I'm out on 11/15, but I think Brian's  
SC05 travel plans changed so he may be available.  (Don't mean to  
speak for him.)

On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:11 AM, Brian R. Toonen wrote:

> Well, we have in fact forfeited 5 matches to Bobby's team in the  
> past because we
> had no players for that night.
>
> Given that we may likely have to forfeit matches in November due to  
> increased
> travel and hard deadlines for SC, and that I came last night at the  
> expense of
> getting work done that is already way behind schedule, I'm not  
> inclined to allow
> them to make up any of the matches.  Quite honestly, we gave them a  
> break by
> waiting for Ron.  By the rules, we could have rightfully insisted  
> that they
> forfeit that match as well.
>
> My opinion is that we shouldn't allow them to make up the matches  
> unless the
> league captains vote to *require* teams to allow their opponents  
> the right to
> decide whether to forfeit or make up matches at a later date.  If  
> they do that,
> then we must allow Bobby's team to make up the games at a later  
> date, but it
> should be one that is convenient for us (perhaps after SC, and not  
> necessarily
> on a league night).  However, before the captains make such a  
> decision, they
> should be aware that we will take full advantage of it for the  
> first three weeks
> of November.
>
> --brian
>
> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: owner-mcs-pool at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-mcs- 
> pool at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf
> |Of Ti Leggett
> |Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:42
> |To: mcs-pool at mcs.anl.gov
> |Subject: Re: [POOL] Last night's matches
> |
> |First off. Roger, Awesome! I bet Bobby had nothing to say after you
> |beat him and he talked so much trash.
> |
> |Second, the way I understood our agreement was that we'd have one
> |make up and two forfeits. The one make up was for Ron since we had
> |actually seen him that night and knew he was coming back. Since Ron
> |showed up before we had left, there went their make up match. I think
> |we're entitled to two forfeited matches since we did scramble people
> |to have our 5 players. Unless there's some defined cut-off for when
> |make-up matches aren't allowed this is going to be a quagmire. I know
> |we've had 2 or sometimes 3 matches forfeited because we didn't have
> |the players and we never made a stink about it. I know we've had
> |Bobby's team force forfeit on us when we didn't have enough players.
> |
> |Third, we need to figure out what we're going to do in the coming
> |weeks. I won't be able to make it Nov. 8-22 because I'll be on
> |travel. I know Craig can't make the Nov 15th either since he'll be on
> |travel. I'm not sure of Brian. So we need to get people committed
> |those days to show up when I know we'll be short.
> |
> |I don't like the idea of being jerks about this but many of our last
> |place seasons weren't all due to losses but because of forfeits, and
> |no one gave pity on us then. Everyone's hurting from lack of players,
> |us included.
> |
> |On Oct 19, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Strons, Philip S. wrote:
> |
> |> Hi all,
> |>
> |> First of all, I want to congratulate Roger on his win against Ron
> |> Shepherd.  This wasn't a scratch on the eight by Ron.  Roger
> |> genuinely beat him in the fourth game.
> |>
> |> There was a bit of a problem last night.  We had a full team of
> |> five players, but our opponents had only three players.  Also,
> |> Roger had to wait for Ron for like an hour because Ron had to go
> |> home to get his cue stick.  While we were all wondering what
> |> happened to Ron, we negotiated an agreement that their team would
> |> take one forfeit, and we would make up the other match.  After
> |> Roger beat Ron though, Bobby Crews said he wanted two make ups.  I
> |> talked to Kevin about all this before, during, and after the whole
> |> mess, and he said that he hasn't been enforcing the forfeit rules
> |> yet this session because of the player shortage.  But, he also said
> |> we had the right to ask for forfeits.  I don't want to be a jerk
> |> about this, but we scrambled to get five players together to avoid
> |> a forfeit.  And, I don't like the idea of having to be there
> |> forever next week to play a total of seven matches.
> |>
> |> Anyway, Kevin suggested a possible vote by the team captains on
> |> this issue.  I think we should decide as a team as to what we
> |> want.  I'd like one forfeit and one make up.
> |>
> |> One other point I found interesting.  Bobby said that they had
> |> other players coming later, but after Roger and Ron's match, they
> |> all went home.  No one else showed up.
> |>
> |> Phil
> |>
>
>

--
Craig