[Swift-devel] Swift dev.globus chair

Thu Jun 5 12:18:01 CDT 2008

I'm fine with you as the chair. Again, who is the chair has nothing to
do with what I was interested in.

On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 12:03 -0500, Michael Wilde wrote:
> was: Re: [Swift-devel] [Fwd: Re: [incubator-committers] Re: swift 
> project in hibernation]
> 
> --
> 
> The Globus process defines Chair as:
> 
> "Each Globus project is required to name a project Chair via some 
> process defined by the project’s Committers. A project Chair has no 
> enhanced authority, but has certain responsibilities relative to the 
> function of the Globus Alliance. Specifically:
> 
>      * The Chair should generate, on or before March 31st, June 30th, 
> September 30th, and December 31st of each year, reports concerning the 
> activities of the project during the past quarter, its current status, 
> and future plans.
>      * The Chair is responsible for forwarding to the Globus 
> Infrastructure group requests to add or delete Committers for the project."
> 
> (from http://dev.globus.org/wiki/Guidelines)
> 
> I.e the chair needs to report on the activity status and plans quarterly.
> 
> Gigi suggested to me that Ben as Project Coordinator should serve this 
> role. That would be OK with me.
> 
> This is also a good time to step back and look at our process, and see 
> what of anything we want to change. But if all else is ready to roll on 
> incubator environment, lets just agree on a chair while we sort it out.
> 
> For now, I suggest this: Ben, if you want to be chair, I support that. 
> If you dont, I feel the same about you, Mihael. If neither of you want 
> to be chair, I propose to remain chair.
> 
> All: After we hear from Ben (or Mihael if Ben declines) please indicate 
> your support with a response to this thread.
> 
> - Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/5/08 11:16 AM, Mihael Hategan wrote:
> > Actually, from a dev.globus perspective, there is no "manager" in the
> > sense of somebody having more decision power than other committers.
> > 
> > Such management decisions are made through voting.
> > 
> > So you should probably think a bit about this. The control structure
> > imposed by our job hierarchy or by the flow of money have no say in the
> > decision making process of the project. That doesn't mean that you can't
> > exercise authority as long as you have the means to, but globdev isn't
> > going to give you such means.
> > 
> > In regard to the task at hand, there are no problems really. You  will
> > probably have the honors of making the official request. That wasn't my
> > point though. I was simply asking whether there was a rule in place, and
> > all I got was an opinion. I didn't want an opinion. It was a simple
> > question and I wanted a "yes" or a "no".
> > 
> > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 10:35 -0500, Michael Wilde wrote:
> >> If "chair" is someone who maintains the infrastructure it should be a 
> >> developer.
> >>
> >> If its someone that makes management decisions and speaks for the 
> >> project, it should be me.
> >>
> >> I should be the one who requests the project to be un-hibernated, but at 
> >> least designated developer should be able to interact with dev.globus 
> >> regarding infrastructure setup, imho.
> >>
> >> Mihael, Ben - do you have a recommendation on this? Seems like once 
> >> infrastructure setup is done, I should be able to be chair.
> >>
> >> - Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [incubator-committers] Re: swift project in hibernation
> >> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:14:17 -0500
> >> From: Mihael Hategan <hategan at mcs.anl.gov>
> >> To: Jennifer M. Schopf <jms at mcs.anl.gov>
> >> CC: Jennifer M. Schopf <jms at eol.org>,	incubator-committers at globus.org, 
> >> wilde at mcs.anl.gov,	Ben Clifford <benc at hawaga.org.uk>
> >> References: <20080604223759.9D756B00006C at sumac.eol.org>	 
> >> <1212621397.17056.11.camel at localhost>	 
> >> <20080605020236.B489EB00006C at sumac.eol.org>	 
> >> <1212640861.22960.25.camel at localhost>	 
> >> <20080605130731.515E4ABC001 at zimbra.anl.gov>
> >>
> >> Short ones inline.
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 09:05 -0400, Jennifer M. Schopf wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>> I will also reformulate the question:
> >>>> If I (or any other committer for that matter) ask for the project to be
> >>>> un-hibernated, while meeting all the requirements, will the project be
> >>>> un-hibernated or not?
> >>> Mike's gotten in touch with us - so if one of you 
> >>> gets a document or shows effort towards this end 
> >>> that should suffice, but you've got to include 
> >>> him as chair in my opinion. If he's not being the 
> >>> chair that's something for you as a project to 
> >>> sort out - we really only interface to the chair 
> >>> of a project , that's what the chair is in our 
> >>> view, the person making this project happen from 
> >>> an incubator point of view. If your chair isn't 
> >>> doing that then likely something need to change 
> >>> inthe project. It is not uncommon for a project 
> >>> to have a PI that isn't the chair, for example. 
> >>> But generally, yes, we work with the chair not 
> >>> other group members or else this process simply 
> >>> wouldn't scale. I can't give you an authoritative 
> >>> answer without a meeting of the IMP which takes 
> >>> place in roughly 2 weeks, all i can give you is 
> >>> my best interpretation of the process as it exists.
> >> Ok. Please let me know what the answer is when you can.
> >>
> >> ...
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