[petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
Matthew Knepley
knepley at gmail.com
Thu Apr 19 13:48:57 CDT 2018
Great! I have approved it. Now it goes to master.
Matt
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
> I submitted the pull request this morning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sepideh
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dave May <dave.mayhem23 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:14:47 PM
> *To:* Matthew Knepley
> *Cc:* Sepideh Kavousi; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
>
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
>
>
> On 18 April 2018 at 23:52, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> Mathew and Dave,
>
> Thank you so much it is working perfectly now.
>
>
> Excellent.
>
> If you want your name to appear on the next PETSc release as a
> contributor, you
> can make a PR with this change :)
>
>
> Here is a URL describing the PR's protocol for PETSc contribs:
>
> https://bitbucket.org/petsc/petsc/wiki/pull-request-instructions-git
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
> Sepideh
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dave May <dave.mayhem23 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:13:33 PM
> *To:* Sepideh Kavousi
> *Cc:* Matthew Knepley; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
>
>
> On 18 April 2018 at 21:06, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> Mathew
>
> I added the lines and I still have the same issue. It may be a silly
> question but should I configure and install petsc again using this new
> lines added? or changing the line is enough? the highlighted lines are the
> lines I modified.
>
>
> PetscErrorCode ierr;
> DM dm;
> DMTS_DA *dmdats = (DMTS_DA*)ctx;
> DMDALocalInfo info;
> Vec Xloc,Xdotloc;
> void *x,*f,*xdot;
>
> PetscFunctionBegin;
> PetscValidHeaderSpecific(ts,TS_CLASSID,1);
> PetscValidHeaderSpecific(X,VEC_CLASSID,2);
> PetscValidHeaderSpecific(F,VEC_CLASSID,3);
> if (!dmdats->ifunctionlocal) SETERRQ(PetscObjectComm((Petsc
> Object)ts),PETSC_ERR_PLIB,"Corrupt context");
> ierr = TSGetDM(ts,&dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGetLocalVector(dm,&Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGlobalToLocalBegin(dm,Xdot,INSERT_VALUES,Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(
> ierr);
> ierr = DMGlobalToLocalEnd(dm,Xdot,INSERT_VALUES,Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGetLocalVector(dm,&Xloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGlobalToLocalBegin(dm,X,INSERT_VALUES,Xloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGlobalToLocalEnd(dm,X,INSERT_VALUES,Xloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMDAGetLocalInfo(dm,&info);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMDAVecGetArray(dm,Xloc,&x);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMDAVecGetArray(dm,Xdotloc,&xdot);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>
>
> Don't forget to include these calls (in this order) after you are done
> with the Xdotloc vector
>
> ierr = DMDAVecRestoreArray(dm,Xdotloc,&xdot);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMRestoreLocalVector(dm,&Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>
> Failure to do so will result in a memory leak.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sepideh
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:59:12 PM
>
> *To:* Sepideh Kavousi
> *Cc:* petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> The reason I can not use your method is that the input arguments of
> SetIFunctionLocal are the arrays of x,x_t instead of x,x_t vectors. In your
> method which was:
>
> ierr *=* DMGetLocalVector(dm,*&*Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr); ierr *=* DMGlobalToLocalBegin(dm,Xdot,INSERT_VALUES,Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr); ierr *=* DMGlobalToLocalEnd(dm,Xdot,INSERT_VALUES,Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr *=* DMDAVecGetArray(dm,Xdotloc,*&*xdot);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>
>
> You misunderstand my suggestion. I mean stick this code in right here in
> PETSc
>
> https://bitbucket.org/petsc/petsc/annotate/be3efd428a942676a
> 0189b3273b3c582694ff011/src/ts/utils/dmdats.c?at=master&file
> viewer=file-view-default#dmdats.c-68
>
> Then the X_t array you get in your local function will be ghosted.
>
> Matt
>
>
> I need to have the vector of Xdot, not the array. So I think I should use
> SetIFunction instead of SetIFunctionLocal.
>
>
> Sepideh
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2018 1:22:53 PM
> *To:* Sepideh Kavousi
> *Cc:* petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> Mathew,
> I previously use DMDATSSetIFunctionLocal(user.d
> a,INSERT_VALUES,(DMDATSIFunctionLocal) FormFunction,&user) in my code.
> If I want to use your solution I can not use it because in the FormFunction
> definition I must use arrays, not vectors.So to solve this issue I followed
> two methods where none were able to solve it.
> 1- in first method I decided to use TSSetIFunction instead of
> DMDATSSetIFunctionLocal
>
> for this means first in the main function, I use TSSetDM and my form
> function variables were as:
> PetscErrorCode FormFunction(TS ts,PetscScalar t,Vec Y,Vec Ydot,Vec F,
> struct VAR_STRUCT *user) {
> .
> .
> .
> .
> ierr = TSGetDM(ts,&dmda);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr= DMDAGetLocalInfo(dmda,&info2) ;CHKERRQ(ierr);
>
> ierr = DMGetLocalVector(dmda,&Ydot_local);CHKERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGlobalToLocalBegin(dmda,Ydot,INSERT_VALUES,Ydot_local);CHK
> ERRQ(ierr);
> ierr = DMGlobalToLocalEnd(dmda,Ydot,INSERT_VALUES,Ydot_local);CHKER
> RQ(ierr);
> .
> .
> .
>
> }
> But still, it does not consider vectors y,ydot,f related to dmda (problem
> executing DMDAVecGetArray)
>
>
> We cannot help you if you do not show full error messages.
>
> Why not fix the code with SetIFunctionLocal(), as I said in my last email.
> I will fix PETSc proper in branch at the end of the week. I
> have a proposal due tomorrow, so I cannot do it right now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
> 2- in second method I decided to use DMTSSetIFunction
> but still, FormFunction is in form of TSIFunction where we do not define
> dm object and I think it does not understand dm and da are connected,
> although I have used TSSetDM in the main function.
>
> Can you please help me what should I do?
> Regards,
> Sepideh
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 9:34:01 PM
>
> *To:* Sepideh Kavousi
> *Cc:* petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> I run with valgrind with the following command:
>
> /work/skavou1/petsc/debug/bin/mpiexec -np 2 valgrind --tool=memcheck -q
> --num-callers=20 --log-file=valgrind.log.%p ./one.out -malloc off
> -ts_monitor -snes_fd_color -ts_max_snes_failures -1 -ts_type beuler
> -pc_type bjacobi -snes_linesearch_type nleqerr -snes_type newtontr
> -ksp_gmres_restart 31 -sub_pc_type ilu -snes_monitor -snes_converged_reason
> -ksp_monitor
>
>
> Okay, I think this is coded wrong. The DMDA stuff ignores DMLocal and only
> chooses to ghost the input vector X and not X_t
>
> https://bitbucket.org/petsc/petsc/annotate/be3efd428a942676a
> 0189b3273b3c582694ff011/src/ts/utils/dmdats.c?at=master&file
> viewer=file-view-default#dmdats.c-68
>
> Unfortunately, this was done by Peter in 2012 and he is gone, so we can't
> blame him.
> It is true that very few people use spatial derivatives of X_t, but it
> does make sense.
> Right there, you want to add
>
> ierr = DMGetLocalVector(dm,&Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr); ierr = DMGlobalToLocalBegin(dm,Xdot,INSERT_VALUES,Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr); ierr = DMGlobalToLocalEnd(dm,Xdot,INSERT_VALUES,Xdotloc);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>
> ierr = DMDAVecGetArray(dm,Xdotloc,&xdot);CHKERRQ(ierr);
>
>
> and it should work.
>
> Matt
>
>
> the valgringoutput is as following:
>
> ==39396== Invalid read of size 8
> ==39396== at 0x402679: FormFunction (one.c:212)
> ==39396== by 0x611AA5F: TSComputeIFunction_DMDA (dmdats.c:79)
> ==39396== by 0x61349BD: TSComputeIFunction (ts.c:830)
> ==39396== by 0x623DD1C: SNESTSFormFunction_Theta (theta.c:649)
> ==39396== by 0x615E599: SNESTSFormFunction (ts.c:4569)
> ==39396== by 0x600C84E: SNESComputeFunction (snes.c:2203)
> ==39396== by 0x60A34B6: SNESSolve_NEWTONTR (tr.c:105)
> ==39396== by 0x60246C0: SNESSolve (snes.c:4312)
> ==39396== by 0x6237346: TSTheta_SNESSolve (theta.c:176)
> ==39396== by 0x6237CA8: TSStep_Theta (theta.c:216)
> ==39396== by 0x6153380: TSStep (ts.c:3548)
> ==39396== by 0x615559D: TSSolve (ts.c:3731)
> ==39396== by 0x403C95: main (one.c:303)
> ==39396== Address 0x83f5158 is 8 bytes before a block of size 7,200
> alloc'd
> ==39396== at 0x4A05588: memalign (vg_replace_malloc.c:727)
> ==39396== by 0x4D87516: PetscMallocAlign (mal.c:42)
> ==39396== by 0x4D88DE0: PetscMallocA (mal.c:397)
> ==39396== by 0x50AB230: VecGetArray2d (rvector.c:2167)
> ==39396== by 0x589437E: DMDAVecGetArray (dagetarray.c:73)
> ==39396== by 0x611A8ED: TSComputeIFunction_DMDA (dmdats.c:74)
> ==39396== by 0x61349BD: TSComputeIFunction (ts.c:830)
> ==39396== by 0x623DD1C: SNESTSFormFunction_Theta (theta.c:649)
> ==39396== by 0x615E599: SNESTSFormFunction (ts.c:4569)
> ==39396== by 0x600C84E: SNESComputeFunction (snes.c:2203)
> ==39396== by 0x60A34B6: SNESSolve_NEWTONTR (tr.c:105)
> ==39396== by 0x60246C0: SNESSolve (snes.c:4312)
> ==39396== by 0x6237346: TSTheta_SNESSolve (theta.c:176)
> ==39396== by 0x6237CA8: TSStep_Theta (theta.c:216)
> ==39396== by 0x6153380: TSStep (ts.c:3548)
> ==39396== by 0x615559D: TSSolve (ts.c:3731)
> ==39396== by 0x403C95: main (one.c:303)
> ==39396==
> ==39396== Invalid read of size 8
> ==39396== at 0x402689: FormFunction (one.c:212)
> ==39396== by 0x611AA5F: TSComputeIFunction_DMDA (dmdats.c:79)
> ==39396== by 0x61349BD: TSComputeIFunction (ts.c:830)
> ==39396== by 0x623DD1C: SNESTSFormFunction_Theta (theta.c:649)
> ==39396== by 0x615E599: SNESTSFormFunction (ts.c:4569)
> ==39396== by 0x600C84E: SNESComputeFunction (snes.c:2203)
> ==39396== by 0x60A34B6: SNESSolve_NEWTONTR (tr.c:105)
> ==39396== by 0x60246C0: SNESSolve (snes.c:4312)
> ==39396== by 0x6237346: TSTheta_SNESSolve (theta.c:176)
> ==39396== by 0x6237CA8: TSStep_Theta (theta.c:216)
> ==39396== by 0x6153380: TSStep (ts.c:3548)
> ==39396== by 0x615559D: TSSolve (ts.c:3731)
> ==39396== by 0x403C95: main (one.c:303)
> ==39396== Address 0x18 is not stack'd, malloc'd or (recently) free'd
> ==39396==
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sepideh
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 8:44:43 PM
> *To:* Sepideh Kavousi
> *Cc:* petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> this is not used forghost points . my code is :
>
>
> 1) You are using ghost points, since you use i-1 as an index
>
> 2) I was wrong. X_t should also be ghosted.
>
> Run under valgrind.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
> for (j=info2->ys;j<info2->ys+info2->ym;j++){
> for (i=info2->xs;i<info2->xs+info2->xm;i++){
> if (i==0) {aF[j][i].U=aY[j][i+1].U-aY[j][i].U ;
> aF[j][i].p=aY[j][i+1].p-aY[j][i].p ;}
> else if (i==info2->mx-1) {aF[j][i].U=aY[j][i-1].U-aY[j][i].U
> ; aF[j][i].p=aY[j][i].p-aY[j][i-1].p ;}
> else if (j==0) {aF[j][i].U=aY[j+1][i].U-aY[j][i].U;
> aF[j][i].p=aY[j+1][i].p-aY[j][i].p ;}
> else if (j==info2->my-1) {aF[j][i].U=aY[j-1][i].U-aY[j][i].U
> ; aF[j][i].p=aY[j][i].p-aY[j-1][i].p ;}
> else {
> //derivatives of U and p
> Px=(aY[j][i+1].p-aY[j][i-1].p)/(2.0*user->hx);
> Py=(aY[j+1][i].p-aY[j-1][i].p)/(2.0*user->hy);
> Pxx=((aY[j][i+1].p+aY[j][i-1].p-2.0*aY[j][i].p)/(hx2));
> Pxy=((aY[j+1][i+1].p+aY[j-1][
> i-1].p-aY[j+1][i-1].p-aY[j-1][i+1].p)/(4.0*hxy));
> Pyy=((aY[j+1][i].p+aY[j-1][i].p-2.0*aY[j][i].p)/hy2);
> Pxt=(aYdot[j][i+1].p-aYdot[j][i-1].p)/(2.0*user->hx);
> Pyt=(aYdot[j+1][i].p-aYdot[j-1][i].p)/(2.0*user->hy);
>
>
> if (((Px*Px)+(Py*Py))>0.0 ) { //
> theta=PetscAtanReal(Py/Px);
> thetax=(Px*Pxy-Py*Pxx)/((Px*Px)+(Py*Py));
> thetay=(Px*Pyy-Py*Pxy)/((Px*Px)+(Py*Py));
> }
> else {
> theta=PETSC_PI*0.5;
> thetax=0.0;
> thetay=0.0;
> }
> e=(1.0+user->epsilon*cos(4.0*theta));;
> ep=-(4.0*user->epsilon*sin(4.0*theta));
> epp=-(4.0*user->epsilon*4.0*cos(4.0*theta));
>
>
>
> Ux=(aY[j][i+1].U-aY[j][i-1].U)/(2.0*user->hx);
> Uy=(aY[j+1][i].U-aY[j-1][i].U)/(2.0*user->hy);
> Uxx=((aY[j][i+1].U+aY[j][i-1].U-2.0*aY[j][i].U)/(hx2));
> Uyy=((aY[j+1][i].U+aY[j-1][i].U-2.0*aY[j][i].U)/hy2);
>
> U1=user->D*user->tau_0/(user->W*user->W);
> U2= ((Px*Px+Py*Py)>0.0) ? user->a_p/sqrt(Px*Px+Py*Py) :
> 0.0 ;
> //U2=0.0;
> P1= (user->W*user->hy*j-user->Vp*user->tau_0*t)/user->lT;
>
> aF[j][i].U=(U1*(-0.5*(Ux*Px+U
> y*Py)+0.5*(1-aY[j][i].p)*(Uxx+Uyy))+U2*(1+(1-user->k)*aY[j][
> i].U)*(Pxt*Px+Pyt*Py+aYdot[j][i].p*(Pxx+Pyy))+U2*(1-user->k)
> *aYdot[j][i].p*(Ux*Px+Uy*Py)+0.5*(1+(1-user->k)*aY[j][i].U)*
> aYdot[j][i].p-0.5*(1+user->k-(1-user->k)*aY[j][i].p)*aYdot[j][i].U)*hx2;
>
> aF[j][i].p=( e*e*(Pxx+Pyy)+2.0*e*ep*(thetax
> *Px+thetay*Py)+(e*epp+ep*ep)*(thetay*Px-thetax*Py)+(aY[j][i]
> .p-aY[j][i].p*aY[j][i].p*aY[j][i].p)-user->lambda*(aY[j][i].
> p*aY[j][i].p-1)*(aY[j][i].p*aY[j][i].p-1)*(aY[j][i].U+P1)-(1
> -(1-user->k)*P1)*(1.0+4.0*user->epsilon*cos(4.0*theta))*(1.0
> +4.0*user->epsilon*cos(4.0*theta))*aYdot[j][i].p )*hx2 ;
>
> }
> }
>
> Sepideh
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2018 8:36:37 PM
> *To:* Sepideh Kavousi
> *Cc:* petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> *Subject:* Re: [petsc-users] error running parallel on cluster
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Sepideh Kavousi <skavou1 at lsu.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> I am solving a PDE where I have the spacial derivtive of the time
> derivative of a variable. In the DMDATSSetIFunctionLocal function I
> defined d(dY/dt)/dx as:
> (aYdot[j][i+1].p-aYdot[j][i-1].p)/(2.0*user->hx)
>
>
> I do not think that you get ghosted Ydot in that function.
>
> Matt
>
>
> on my workstation, it is working but on the cluster it gives an error. I
> can not run with debugger on the cluster but I have checked and the error
> is related to this part and I do not have any problem on cluster when
> running in series. Can you please help me about it.
>
> the error is:
> 0]PETSC ERROR: Caught signal number 11 SEGV: Segmentation Violation,
> probably memory access out of range
> [0]PETSC ERROR: Try option -start_in_debugger or -on_error_attach_debugger
> [0]PETSC ERROR: or see http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/d
> ocumentation/faq.html#valgrind
> [0]PETSC ERROR: or try http://valgrind.org on GNU/linux and Apple Mac OS
> X to find memory corruption errors
> [0]PETSC ERROR: likely location of problem given in stack below
> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Stack Frames
> ------------------------------------
> [0]PETSC ERROR: Note: The EXACT line numbers in the stack are not
> available,
> [0]PETSC ERROR: INSTEAD the line number of the start of the function
> [0]PETSC ERROR: is given.
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TSComputeIFunction_DMDA line 63
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/ts/utils/dmdats.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TS user implicit function line 829
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/ts/interface/ts.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TSComputeIFunction line 815
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/ts/interface/ts.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] SNESTSFormFunction_Theta line 640
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/ts/impls/implicit/theta/theta.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] SNESTSFormFunction line 4564
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/ts/interface/ts.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] SNES user function line 2202
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/snes/interface/snes.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] SNESComputeFunction line 2187
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/snes/interface/snes.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] SNESSolve_NEWTONTR line 90
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/snes/impls/tr/tr.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] SNESSolve line 4203 /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/s
> nes/interface/snes.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TSTheta_SNESSolve line 175
> /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/ts/impls/implicit/theta/theta.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TSStep_Theta line 191 /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/t
> s/impls/implicit/theta/theta.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TSStep line 3526 /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/t
> s/interface/ts.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: [0] TSSolve line 3668 /ddnB/work/skavou1/petsc/src/t
> s/interface/ts.c
> [0]PETSC ERROR: --------------------- Error Message
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> [0]PETSC ERROR: Signal received
> [0]PETSC ERROR: See http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html
> for trouble shooting.
> [0]PETSC ERROR: Petsc Release Version 3.9.0, unknown
> [0]PETSC ERROR: ./one.out on a debug named mike1 by skavou1 Mon Apr 16
> 20:11:44 2018
> [0]PETSC ERROR: Configure options --with-cc=gcc --with-cxx=g++
> --with-fc=gfortran --download-mpich --download-fblaslapack
> [0]PETSC ERROR: #1 User provided function() line 0 in unknown file
> application called MPI_Abort(MPI_COMM_WORLD, 59) - process 0
> ==29057==
> ==29057== HEAP SUMMARY:
> ==29057== in use at exit: 560,151 bytes in 383 blocks
> ==29057== total heap usage: 8,734 allocs, 8,351 frees, 4,449,350 bytes
> allocated
> ==29057==
> ==29057== LEAK SUMMARY:
> ==29057== definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
> ==29057== indirectly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
> ==29057== possibly lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
> ==29057== still reachable: 560,151 bytes in 383 blocks
> ==29057== suppressed: 0 bytes in 0 blocks
> ==29057== Rerun with --leak-check=full to see details of leaked memory
> ==29057==
> ==29057== For counts of detected and suppressed errors, rerun with: -v
> ==29057== ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts (suppressed: 8 from 6)
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Sepideh
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
> experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
>
>
>
--
What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
experiments lead.
-- Norbert Wiener
https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/>
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