[petsc-users] Hints for using petscfe for plasticity -- how to update/access internal variables?
Sanjay Govindjee
s_g at berkeley.edu
Wed Sep 20 12:37:55 CDT 2017
The standard methodology for this problem is to solve only for the
displacements (globally). The stresses are recomputed at the Gauss
point level. The needed history that is usually kept at the Gauss point
level is the plastic strain. Convergence is strongly tied to having a
good tangent operator; in this case you need the so-called consistent
tangent operator (see Simo and Taylor, Computer Methods in Applied
Mechanics and Engineering, 1985).
Have a look also at the comprehensive and tutorial books by Simo and
Hughes (Computational Inelasticity) and the 1st and 2nd Volumes of
Zienkeiwicz and Taylor (The Finite Element Method) now in the 7th
edition. These texts provide virtually all of the implementation
details that you need.
-sg
On 9/20/17 1:05 PM, Matthew Knepley wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Maximilian Hartig
> <imilian.hartig at gmail.com <mailto:imilian.hartig at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 20. Sep 2017, at 18:17, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com
>> <mailto:knepley at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Maximilian
>> Hartig<imilian.hartig at gmail.com
>> <mailto:imilian.hartig at gmail.com>>wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I’m trying to implement plasticity using petscFE but I am
>> quite stuck since a while. Here’s what I’m trying to do:
>>
>> I have a TS which solves the following equation:
>> gradient(stress) +Forces = density*acceleration
>> where at the moment stress is a linear function of the strain
>> and hence the gradient of the displacement. This works fine.
>> Now I want to compare the stress to a reference value and if
>> it lies above this yield stress, I have to reevaluate the
>> stress at the respective location. Then I need to update the
>> plastic strain / yield stress at this location.
>> I tried doing that first by solving three fields at the same
>> time: displacements, stresses and yield stress. This failed.
>> Then, I tried solving only for displacement increments,
>> storing the displacements, stresses and yield stress from the
>> past time step in an auxiliary field. The auxiliary fields
>> are updated after each time step with a second SNES, using
>> the displacement increments from the current, converged time
>> step. This also failed.
>> In both cases the code had problems converging and when it
>> did, I ended up with negative plastic strain. This is not
>> possible and I don’t know how it happens because I explicitly
>> only increment the plastic strain when the increment is positive.
>>
>> I am sure there is an easy solution to how I can update the
>> internal variables and determine the correct stress for the
>> residual but I just cannot figure it out. I’d be thankful for
>> any hints.
>>
>>
>> It looks like there are two problems above:
>>
>> 1) Convergence
>>
>> For any convergence question, we at minimum need to see the output of
>>
>> -snes_view -snes_converged_reason -snes_monitor
>> -ksp_monitor_true_residual -snes_linesearch_monitor
>>
>> However, this does not seem to be the main issue.
>>
>> 2) Negative plastic strain
>
> This is what I’m mainly concerned with.
>>
>> If the system really converged (I cannot tell without other
>> information), then the system formulation is wrong. Of course, its
>> really easy to check by just plugging your solution into the
>> residual function too. I do not understand your explanation above
>> completely however. Do you solve for the plastic strain or the
>> increment?
>
> I am trying to find a formulation that works and I think there is
> a core concept I am just not “getting”.
> I want to solve for the displacements.
> This works fine in an elastic case. When plasticity is involved, I
> need to determine the actual stress for my residual evaluation and
> I have not found a way to do that.
> All formulations for stress I found in literature use strain
> increments so I tried to just solve for increments each timestep
> and then add them together in tspoststep. But I still need to
> somehow evaluate the stress for my displacement increment
> residuals. So currently, I have auxiliary fields with the stress
> and the plastic strain.
>
>
> First question: Don't you get stress by just applying a local
> operator, rather than a solve?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
> I evaluate the current trial stress by adding a stress increment
> assuming elastic behaviour. If the trial stress lies beyond the
> yield stress I calculate the corrected stress to evaluate my
> residual for the displacements. But now I somehow need to update
> my plastic strain and the stress in the auxiliary fields. So in
> tspoststep I created another SNES to now calculate the stress and
> plastic strain while the displacement is the auxiliary field.
>
> I’m sure there’s an elegant solution on how to update internal
> variables but I have not found it.
>
> Thanks,
> Max
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to
>> which their experiments lead.
>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>
>> http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/%7Emk51/>
>
>
>
>
> --
> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which
> their experiments lead.
> -- Norbert Wiener
>
> http://www.caam.rice.edu/~mk51/ <http://www.caam.rice.edu/%7Emk51/>
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