[petsc-users] left and right preconditioning with a constant null space

[Klaij, Christiaan]

Barry,

I removed the null space from the rhs in the debug program that I
wrote to just solve Sp x = b once. In this debug program I've
constructed Sp myself after reading in the four blocks from the
real program. So this is independent of PCFieldSplit. Indeed I
also see bad convergence when using pc_type svd for this debug
program unless I remove the null space from the rhs.

So far I haven't managed to translate any of this to the real
program.

- Setting the null space for Sp in the real program seems to work
  by happy accident, but Lawrence gave me the hint to
  use "PetscObjectCompose" to set the nullspace using is1.

- I still have to understand Lawrence's hint and Matt's comment
  about MatSetTransposeNullSpace.

- I'm not sure how to remove the null space from the rhs vector
  in the real pogram, since I have one rhs vector with both
  velocity and pressure and the null space only refers to the
  pressure part. Any hints?

- Or should I set the null space for the velocity-pressure matrix
  itself, instead of the Schur complement?

- Besides this, I'm also wondering why the rhs would be
  inconsistent in the first place, it's hard to understand from
  the discretization.

Thanks for your reply,
Chris



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From: Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 1:29 AM
To: Klaij, Christiaan
Cc: Lawrence Mitchell; Matthew Knepley; petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
Subject: Re: [petsc-users] left and right preconditioning with a constant null space

> On Mar 24, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Klaij, Christiaan <C.Klaij at marin.nl> wrote:
>
> I've written a small PETSc program that loads the four blocks,
> constructs Sp, attaches the null space and solves with a random
> rhs vector.
>
> This small program replicates the same behaviour as the real
> code: convergence in the preconditioned norm, stagnation in the
> unpreconditioned norm.
>
> But when I add a call to remove the null space from the rhs
> vector ("MatNullSpaceRemove"),

   Are you removing the null space from the original full right hand side or inside the solver for the Schur complement problem?

   Note that if instead of using PCFIELDSPLIT you use some other simpler PC you should also see bad convergence, do you? Even if you use -pc_type svd you should see bad convergence?



> I do get convergence in both
> norms! Clearly, the real code must somehow produce an
> inconsistent rhs vector. So the problem is indeed somewhere else
> and not in PCFieldSplit.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> dr. ir. Christiaan Klaij  | Senior Researcher | Research & Development
> MARIN | T +31 317 49 33 44 | mailto:C.Klaij at marin.nl | http://www.marin.nl
>
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> ________________________________________
> From: Klaij, Christiaan
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:34 PM
> To: Lawrence Mitchell; Matthew Knepley
> Cc: petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> Subject: Re: [petsc-users] left and right preconditioning with a constant null space
>
> I've also loaded the four blocks into matlab, computed
>
>  Sp = A11 - A10 inv(diag(A00)) A01
>
> and confirmed that Sp has indeed a constant null space.
>
> Chris
> ________________________________________
> From: Klaij, Christiaan
> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 9:05 AM
> To: Lawrence Mitchell; Matthew Knepley
> Cc: petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> Subject: Re: [petsc-users] left and right preconditioning with a constant null space
>
> Lawrence,
>
> I think you mean "-fieldsplit_1_mat_null_space_test"? This
> doesn't return any info, should it? Anyway, I've added a "call
> MatNullSpaceTest" to the code which returns "true" for the null
> space of A11.
>
> I also tried to run with "-fieldsplit_1_ksp_constant_null_space"
> so that the null space is only attached to S (and not to
> A11). Unfortunately, the behaviour is still the same: convergence
> in the preconditioned norm only.
>
> Chris
> ________________________________________
> From: Lawrence Mitchell <lawrence.mitchell at imperial.ac.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 4:52 PM
> To: Klaij, Christiaan; Matthew Knepley
> Cc: petsc-users at mcs.anl.gov
> Subject: Re: [petsc-users] left and right preconditioning with a constant null space
>
> On 23/03/17 15:37, Klaij, Christiaan wrote:
>> Yes, that's clearer, thanks! I do have is0 and is1 so I can try
>> PetscObjectCompose and let you know.
>>
>> Note though that the viewer reports that both S and A11 have a
>> null space attached... My matrix is a matnest and I've attached a
>> null space to A11, so the latter works as expected. But is the viewer
>> wrong for S?
>
> No, I think this is a consequence of using a matnest and attaching a
> nullspace to A11.  In that case you sort of "can" set a nullspace on
> the submatrix returned in MatCreateSubMatrix(Amat, is1, is1), because
> you just get a reference.  But if you switched to AIJ then you would
> no longer get this.
>
> So it happens that the nullspace you set on A11 /is/ transferred over
> to S, but this is luck, rather than design.
>
> So maybe there is something else wrong.  Perhaps you can run with
> -fieldsplit_1_ksp_test_null_space to check the nullspace matches
> correctly?
>
> Lawrence
>