[petsc-dev] Job openings

[Junchao Zhang]

I think we can just send to both petsc-announce and petsc-users. First
there are not many such emails.  Second, if there are, users should be
happy to see that.
I receive 10+ ad emails daily and I don't mind receiving extra 5 emails
monthly :)

--Junchao Zhang

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 7:27 PM Barry Smith <bsmith at petsc.dev> wrote:

>
>   PETSc announce has more people than petsc-users but it is not clear that
> everyone on petsc-users is on petsc-announce. Everyone should join
> petsc-announce but they may not.
>
>   We could send them to both with the same label but then many people will
> get two emails which is annoying.
>
>   Maybe use the labels   [PETSc Job opening] and [PETSc Release] to give
> people an easier filter.
>
>
>    An approach which is probably not simple is that anything sent to
> petsc-announce is also sent to everyone on petsc-users who IS NOT on
> petsc-announce so everyone gets only exactly one copy regardless of whether
> they are on both or either.
>
>    1)  Maybe we could just manually remove everyone from announce who is
> in users and make sure that anything sent to announce also gets sent to
> users.
>     2)  Or whenever anyone joins users we sign them up for announce
> automatically and then only send such message to announce (the webpage
> could indicate you will
>           automatically also be added to announce. This seems the least
> painful, but then someone now needs to add to announce everyone who is on
> users but not
>           on announce.
>
>    People could get fancy with filters to get only one copy but that is
> obnoxious to expect them to do that.
>
>    Barry
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 1:27 PM, Junchao Zhang <junchao.zhang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> The usefulness depends on how many users subscribe to petsc-announce.
>
> Since there are not many such emails, I think it is fine to send to
> petsc-users. And in these emails, we can always add a link to a job section
> on the petsc website.  Once petsc users get used to this, they may go to
> the website later when they are finding jobs.
>
> --Junchao Zhang
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 1:04 PM Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is a good idea. Anyone against this?
>>
>>   Thanks,
>>
>>     Matt
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 1:26 PM Barry Smith <bsmith at petsc.dev> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>   Maybe something as simple for petsc-announce
>>>
>>>  Subject:    [Release]     ....
>>>  Subject:    [Job opening] ....
>>>
>>>    Then when you send out the most recent job opening you can include in
>>> the message something like
>>>
>>>     "The PETSc announce mailing list will continue to be low volume. We
>>> will now tag each message in the subject line with [Release], [Job
>>> opening],  or possibly other tags so you can have your mail program filter
>>> out messages you are not interested in.
>>>
>>>     Thanks for your continued support,"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Matthew Knepley <knepley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got the second email in less than one month about sending a job
>>> opening to the PETSc list.
>>>
>>> 1) Should we have some policy about this?
>>>
>>> I think we should encourage it, but in a way that does not produce noise
>>> for people. I think there are no other good outlets for computational jobs.
>>>
>>> 2) Should we have a section of the website for this?
>>>
>>> I would like something that just selected some petsc-users mail from the
>>> archive with a query in the URL.
>>>
>>> 3) If we encourage it, should we have a special header for job posts in
>>> the mailing list?
>>>
>>> This would facilitate 2).
>>>
>>>   Thanks,
>>>
>>>      Matt
>>>
>>> --
>>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>>> experiments lead.
>>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>>
>>> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
>>> <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
>> experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their
>> experiments lead.
>> -- Norbert Wiener
>>
>> https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
>> <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>
>>
>
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