[mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2

Jayesh Krishna jayesh at mcs.anl.gov
Thu Aug 25 13:10:46 CDT 2011 

Hi,
 Meanwhile, what are the timings that you see with MSMPI (Assuming you are using the same system) ?

-Jayesh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jayesh Krishna" <jayesh at mcs.anl.gov>
To: mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:24:34 AM
Subject: Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2

Hi,
 If you run your MPI job on a single machine/node all communication should go through Nemesis shared memory.
 One important thing to note is that MSMPI binds processes to cores by default and MPICH2 does not. The user is responsible for selecting the binding scheme in MPICH2.

(PS: MPICH2 cannot perform certain default process core bindings like MSMPI because we support older Windows OS versions that MSMPI does not.)
Regards,
Jayesh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Youri LACAN-BARTLEY" <youri.lacan-bartley at transvalor.com>
To: "Rajeev Thakur" <thakur at mcs.anl.gov>
Cc: mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:59:22 AM
Subject: Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2

How can I make sure MPICH2 doesn't use TCP but only shared memory? I do specify the use of the nemesis channel on the command line but that hasn't had any impact whatsoever on latency.
Would you also recommend I build MPICH2 from source? I have no idea how the Windows builds you provide are configured.

Thanks for the help.

Youri LACAN-BARTLEY

-----Message d'origine-----
De : mpich-discuss-bounces at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:mpich-discuss-bounces at mcs.anl.gov] De la part de Rajeev Thakur
Envoyé : jeudi 25 août 2011 15:43
À : mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
Objet : Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2

One thing to check is whether communication is indeed happening over the Nemesis shared-memory device and not TCP.

Rajeev

On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Youri LACAN-BARTLEY wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> IMB actually reports massive latencies even with 0 byte messages (roughly 30 usec) which is rather surprising.
> There is indeed a massive leap in latency going from 8192 byte messages to 16384 byte messages which probably has to do with the missing feature you are referring to.
> This however doesn't seem to explain with the initial latency is so high.
> 
> I'll be using MSMPI for now and I'll keep an eye out for any new Windows builds.
> What feature that's currently in the dev branch should I be looking out for though?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Jayesh Krishna [mailto:jayesh at mcs.anl.gov] 
> Envoyé : mardi 23 août 2011 19:11
> À : Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
> Cc : mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
> Objet : Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
> 
> Hi,
> I am assuming this is due to a missing feature (currently in the dev branch) in the trunk that speeds up large message transfers between MPI processes on a local node. Unfortunately I don't have enough bandwidth to integrate the changes to the trunk right now (It might happen some time in the future).
> If you are concerned with the performance I would recommend using MSMPI for now.
> 
> Regards,
> Jayesh
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Youri LACAN-BARTLEY" <youri.lacan-bartley at transvalor.com>
> To: "Jayesh Krishna" <jayesh at mcs.anl.gov>
> Cc: mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 4:51:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Only intra-node communication comes into play here since all four sockets are on the same motherboard.
> So no IB whatsoever. All communications are via QPI.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Jayesh Krishna [mailto:jayesh at mcs.anl.gov] 
> Envoyé : lundi 22 août 2011 18:19
> À : mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
> Cc : Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
> Objet : Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
> 
> Hi,
> What kind of interconnect do you have ? MPICH2 performs inter-node communication using TCP/IP sockets. There is an experimental support for IB (MSMPI officially supports IB channels), but it is not tested enough (Let me know if you need to try it out).
> 
> Regards,
> Jayesh
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Youri LACAN-BARTLEY" <youri.lacan-bartley at transvalor.com>
> To: mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 3:07:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
> 
> I've finally been able to run another series of tests on this server.
> What I've noticed is that IMB performs very poorly with MPICH2 1.3 be it on 2 or 32 cores (observed latencies are catastrophic).
> Out of simple curiosity I ran IMB on 32 cores using MSMPI and in this case I obtain perfectly satisfactory performances (I can provide IMB output for both scenarios if necessary).
> 
> Running our application on eight cores with MPICH2 and binding has yielded the following expected result: 2 cores per socket is 80% faster than running on one single socket.
> 
> Since MSMPI is based on MPICH2 I'm really surprised by the differences in latency. The only major difference I see is the WinSock Direct protocol used in MSMPI.
> 
> Would anyone have any kind of idea on what is causing these issues with MPICH2?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : mpich-discuss-bounces at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:mpich-discuss-bounces at mcs.anl.gov] De la part de Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
> Envoyé : jeudi 12 mai 2011 17:38
> À : mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
> Objet : Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
> 
> Hi Darius,
> 
> The test machine is currently being used for other purposes but I will run those tests as soon as I can.
> I wasn't able to run them in my previous tests.
> 
> I'll post the results as soon as I have them.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Your LACAN-BARTLEY
> 
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : mpich-discuss-bounces at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:mpich-discuss-bounces at mcs.anl.gov] De la part de Darius Buntinas
> Envoyé : mercredi 27 avril 2011 19:18
> À : mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
> Objet : Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
> 
> 
> Can you check that there are no other processes running on your system?  Also, see what happens for 31, 30, 29, etc processes to find the point where performance drops suddenly.
> 
> -d
> 
> 
> On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Youri LACAN-BARTLEY wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jayesh,
>> 
>> First of all, thank you for the swift reply.
>> 
>> To answer your question, I've been basically binding my mpi jobs with "-binding user:0,1,2,3,[...],29,30,31" since I'm using all available cores on the machine. It's this specific scenario that is bugging me.
>> I have tried running jobs with let's say 8 cores and specifying different bindings (per core, per socket, shared L2 cache, etc) and the results were what I was expecting.
>> What I can't explain is why I obtain such a massive speed down between running on 16 cores and 32 cores.
>> I might be overlooking something but I really can't put my finger on it.
>> 
>> I've even played around with channels (sock, nemesis, etc) in the hope that this might shed some light on the issue but to no avail.
>> 
>> If you need more detailed information, don't hesitate to ask.
>> 
>> Thanks for the help,
>> 
>> Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
>> 
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Jayesh Krishna [mailto:jayesh at mcs.anl.gov] 
>> Envoyé : mercredi 27 avril 2011 17:30
>> À : mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
>> Cc : Youri LACAN-BARTLEY
>> Objet : Re: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What is the binding used ? Did you try different bindings to see if that changes the performance (Does not specifying user defined binding increase/decrease perf)?
>> More details please.
>> 
>> -Jayesh
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Youri LACAN-BARTLEY" <youri.lacan-bartley at transvalor.com>
>> To: mpich-discuss at mcs.anl.gov
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:04:25 AM
>> Subject: [mpich-discuss] MPICH2 1.3 speed down on Windows 2008 R2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm currently benchmarking a 32 core machine with four Intel X7560 running Windows 2008 R2. 
>> 
>> I've noticed severe speed down when running on all 32 cores at once using user defined binding and the nemesis channel. 
>> 
>> Would anyone have any idea why this might be the case. 
>> 
>> I've run the exact same hardware with the same software running CentOS 5 and OpenMPI 1.4 and in that case the results show a regular speed up as expected. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am I hitting a specific MPICH2 issue or has this rather got something to do with Windows? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Youri LACAN-BARTLEY 
>> 
>> 
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