[mpich-discuss] Why is my quad core slower than cluster

Eric A. Borisch eborisch at ieee.org
Mon Jul 14 23:36:34 CDT 2008


Gus,
Information sharing is truly the point of the mailing list. Useful messages
should ask questions or provide answers! :)

Someone mentioned STREAM benchmarks (memory BW benchmarks) a little while
back. I did these when our new system came in a while ago, so I dug them
back out.
This (STREAM) can be compiled to use MPI, but it is only a synchronization
tool, the benchmark is still a memory bus test (each task is trying to run
through memory, but this is not an MPI communication test.)

My results on a dual E5472 machine (Two Quad-core 3Ghz packages; 1600MHz
bus; 8 total cores)

Results (each set are [1..8] processes in order), double-precision array
size = 20,000,000, run through 10 times.

Function     Rate (MB/s)  Avg time   Min time  Max time
Copy:       2962.6937      0.1081      0.1080      0.1081
Copy:       5685.3008      0.1126      0.1126      0.1128
Copy:       5484.6846      0.1751      0.1750      0.1751
Copy:       7085.7959      0.1809      0.1806      0.1817
Copy:       5981.6033      0.2676      0.2675      0.2676
Copy:       7071.2490      0.2718      0.2715      0.2722
Copy:       6537.4934      0.3427      0.3426      0.3428
Copy:       7423.4545      0.3451      0.3449      0.3455

Scale:      3011.8445      0.1063      0.1062      0.1063
Scale:      5675.8162      0.1128      0.1128      0.1129
Scale:      5474.8854      0.1754      0.1753      0.1754
Scale:      7068.6204      0.1814      0.1811      0.1819
Scale:      5974.6112      0.2679      0.2678      0.2680
Scale:      7063.8307      0.2721      0.2718      0.2725
Scale:      6533.4473      0.3430      0.3429      0.3431
Scale:      7418.6128      0.3453      0.3451      0.3456

Add:        3184.3129      0.1508      0.1507      0.1508
Add:        5892.1781      0.1631      0.1629      0.1633
Add:        5588.0229      0.2577      0.2577      0.2578
Add:        7275.0745      0.2642      0.2639      0.2646
Add:        6175.7646      0.3887      0.3886      0.3889
Add:        7262.7112      0.3970      0.3965      0.3976
Add:        6687.7658      0.5025      0.5024      0.5026
Add:        7599.2516      0.5057      0.5053      0.5062

Triad:      3224.7856      0.1489      0.1488      0.1489
Triad:      6021.2613      0.1596      0.1594      0.1598
Triad:      5609.9260      0.2567      0.2567      0.2568
Triad:      7293.2790      0.2637      0.2633      0.2641
Triad:      6185.4376      0.3881      0.3880      0.3881
Triad:      7279.1231      0.3958      0.3957      0.3961
Triad:      6691.8560      0.5022      0.5021      0.5022
Triad:      7604.1238      0.5052      0.5050      0.5057

These work out to (~):
1x
1.9x
1.8x
2.3x
1.9x
2.2x
2.1x
2.4x

for [1..8] cores.

As you can see, it doesn't take eight cores to saturate the bus, even with a
1600MHz bus. Four of the eight cores running does this trick.

With all that said, there are still advantages to be had with the multicore
chipsets, but only if you're not blowing full tilt through memory. If it can
fit the problem, do more inside a loop rather than running multiple loops
over the same memory.

For reference, here's what using the osu_mbw_mr test (from MVAPICH2 1.0.2; I
also have a cluster running nearby :) compiled on MPICH2 (1.0.7rc1 with
nemesis provides this performance from one/two/four pairs (2/4/8 processes)
of producer/consumers:

# OSU MPI Multi BW / Message Rate Test (Version 1.0)
# [ pairs: 1 ] [ window size: 64 ]

#  Size    MB/sec    Messages/sec
      1      1.08   1076540.83
      2      2.14   1068102.24
      4      3.99    997382.24
      8      7.97    996419.66
     16     15.95    996567.63
     32     31.67    989660.29
     64     62.73    980084.91
    128    124.12    969676.18
    256    243.59    951527.62
    512    445.52    870159.34
   1024    810.28    791284.80
   2048   1357.25    662721.78
   4096   1935.08    472431.28
   8192   2454.29    299596.49
  16384   2717.61    165869.84
  32768   2900.23     88507.85
  65536   2279.71     34785.63
 131072   2540.51     19382.53
 262144   1335.16      5093.21
 524288   1364.05      2601.72
1048576   1378.39      1314.53
2097152   1380.78       658.41
4194304   1343.48       320.31

# OSU MPI Multi BW / Message Rate Test (Version 1.0)
# [ pairs: 2 ] [ window size: 64 ]

#  Size    MB/sec    Messages/sec
      1      2.15   2150580.48
      2      4.22   2109761.12
      4      7.84   1960742.53
      8     15.80   1974733.92
     16     31.38   1961100.64
     32     62.32   1947654.32
     64    123.39   1928000.11
    128    243.19   1899957.22
    256    475.32   1856721.12
    512    856.90   1673642.10
   1024   1513.19   1477721.26
   2048   2312.91   1129351.07
   4096   2891.21    705861.12
   8192   3267.49    398863.98
  16384   3400.64    207558.54
  32768   3519.74    107413.93
  65536   3141.80     47940.04
 131072   3368.65     25700.76
 262144   2211.53      8436.31
 524288   2264.90      4319.95
1048576   2282.69      2176.94
2097152   2250.72      1073.23
4194304   2087.00       497.58

# OSU MPI Multi BW / Message Rate Test (Version 1.0)
# [ pairs: 4 ] [ window size: 64 ]

#  Size    MB/sec    Messages/sec
      1      3.65   3651934.64
      2      8.16   4080341.34
      4     15.66   3914908.02
      8     31.32   3915621.85
     16     62.67   3916764.51
     32    124.37   3886426.18
     64    246.38   3849640.84
    128    486.39   3799914.44
    256    942.40   3681232.25
    512   1664.21   3250414.19
   1024   2756.50   2691891.86
   2048   3829.45   1869848.54
   4096   4465.25   1090148.56
   8192   4777.45    583184.51
  16384   4822.75    294357.30
  32768   4829.77    147392.80
  65536   4556.93     69533.18
 131072   4789.32     36539.60
 262144   3631.68     13853.75
 524288   3679.31      7017.72
1048576   3553.61      3388.99
2097152   3113.12      1484.45
4194304   2452.69       584.77

So from a messaging standpoint, you can see that you squeeze more data
through with more processes; I'd guess that this is because there's
processing to be done within MPI to move the data, and a lot of the
bookkeeping steps probably cache well (updating the same status structure on
a communication multiple times; perhaps reusing the structure for subsequent
transfers and finding it still in cache) so the performance scaling is not
completely FSB bound.

I'm sure there's plenty of additional things that could be done here to test
different CPU to process layouts, etc, but in testing my own real-world
code, I've found that, unfortunately, "it depends." I have some code that
nearly scales linearly (multiple computationally expensive operations inside
the innermost loop) and some that scales like the STREAM results above ("add
one to the next 20 million points") ...

As always, your mileage may vary. If your speedup looks like the STREAM
numbers above, you're likely memory bound. Try to reformulate your problem
to go through memory slower but with more done each pass, or invest in a
cluster. At some point -- for some problems -- you can't beat more memory
busses!

Cheers,
 Eric Borisch

--
 borisch.eric at mayo.edu
 MRI Research
 Mayo Clinic

On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Gus Correa <gus at ldeo.columbia.edu> wrote:

> Hello Sami and list
>
> Oh, well, as you see, an expert who claims to know the answers to these
> problems
> seems not to be willing to share these answers with less knowledgeable MPI
> users like us.
> So, maybe we can find the answers ourselves, not by individual "homework"
> brainstorming,
> but through community collaboration and generous information sharing,
> which is the hallmark of this mailing list.
>
> I Googled around today to find out how to assign MPI processes to specific
> processors,
> and I found some interesting information on how to do it.
>
> Below is a link to a posting from the computational fluid dynamics (CFD)
> community that may be of interest.
> Not surprisingly, they are struggling with the same type of problems all of
> us have,
> including how to tie MPI processes to specific processors:
>
> http://openfoam.cfd-online.com/cgi-bin/forum/board-auth.
> cgi?file=/1/5949.html#POST18006
>
> I would summarize these problems as related to three types of bottleneck:
>
> 1) Multicore processor bottlenecks (standalone machines and clusters)
> 2) Network fabric bottlenecks (clusters)
> 3) File system bottlenecks (clusters)
>
> All three types of problems are due to contention for some type of system
> resource
> by the MPI processes that take part in a computation/program.
>
> Our focus on this thread, started by Zach, has been on problem 1),
> although most of us may need to look into problems 2) and 3) sooner or
> later.
> (I have all the three of them already!)
>
> The CFD folks use MPI as we do.
> They seem to use another MPI flavor, but the same problems are there.
> The problems are not caused by MPI itself, but they become apparent when
> you run MPI programs.
> That has been my experience too.
>
> As for how to map the MPI processes to specific processors (or cores),
> the key command seems to be "taskset", as my googling afternoon showed.
> Try "man taskset" for more info.
>
> For a standalone machine like yours, something like the command line below
> should work to
> force execution on "processors" 0 and 2 (which in my case are two different
> physical CPUs):
>
> mpiexec -n 2 taskset -c 0,2  my_mpi_program
>
> You need to check on your computer ("more /proc/cpuinfo")
> what are the exact "processor" numbers that correspond to separate physical
> CPUs. Most likely they are the even numbered processors only, or the odd
> numbered only,
> since you have dual-core CPUs (integers module 2), with "processors" 0,1
> being the four
> cores of the first physical CPU, "processors" 2,3 the cores of the second
> physical CPU, and so on.
> At least, this is what I see on my dual-core dual-processor machine.
> I would say for quad-cores the separate physical CPUs would be processors
> 0,4,8, etc,
> or 1,5,7, etc, and so on (integers module 4), with "processors" 0,1,2,3
> being the four cores
> in the first physical CPU, and so on.
> In /proc/cpuinfo look for the keyword "processor".
> These are the numbers you need to use in "taskset -c".
> However, other helpful information comes in the keywords "physical id",
> "core id", "siblings", and "cpu cores".
> They will allow you to map cores and physical CPUs to
> the "processor" number.
>
> The "taskset"  command line above worked in one of my standalone multicore
> machines,
> and I hope a variant of it will work on your machine also.
> It works with the "mpiexec" that comes with the MPICH distribution, and
> also with
> the "mpiexec" associated to the Torque/PBS batch system, which is nice for
> clusters as well.
>
> "Taskset" can change the default behavior of the Linux scheduler, which is
> to allow processes to
> be moved from one core/CPU to another during execution.
> The scheduler does this to ensure optimal CPU use (i.e. load balance).
> With taskset you can force execution to happen on the cores you specify on
> the command line,
> i.e. you can force the so called "CPU affinity" you wish.
> Note that the "taskset" man page uses both the terms "CPU" and "processor",
> and doesn't use the term "core",
> which may be  a bit confusing. Make no mistake, "processor" and "CPU" there
> stand for what we've been calling "core" here.
>
> Other postings that you may find useful on closely related topics are:
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-scheduler/
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-
> certain-task-or-process.html
>
> I hope this helps,
>
> Still, we have a long way to go to sort out how much of the multicore
> bottleneck can
> be ascribed to lack of memory bandwidth, and how much may be  perhaps
> associated to how
> memcpy is compiled by different compilers,
> or if there are other components of this problem that we don't see now.
>
> Maybe our community won't find a solution to Zach's problem: "Why is my
> quad core slower than cluster?"
> However, I hope that through collaboration, and by sharing information,
> we may be able to nail down the root of the problem,
> and perhaps to find ways to improve the alarmingly bad performance
> some of us have reported on multicore machines.
>
> Gus Correa
>
> --
> ------------------------------ ---------------------------------------
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> Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory - Columbia University
> P.O. Box 1000 [61 Route 9W] - Palisades, NY, 10964-8000 - USA
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