[AG-TECH] AG session for network staff ?
Michael Elmore
MWElmore at lbl.gov
Wed Jun 8 12:13:40 CDT 2005
Hello All,
Greg and everyone else is this date good for you. I will be going on
vacation starting tomorrow and I will not be back until the end of
June. Hopefully we can decide if this date is good, if not I will send
email when I get back from vacation.
Thank you,
Mike
Mike O'Connor wrote:
> Michael,
>
> The following week is good, Tuesday July 12 at 8AM USPacific.
> Yes I have been getting suggestions, I can never be sure that I've
> gotten all though.
>
> -moc
>
> Michael Elmore wrote:
>
>> Hello Mike O'Connor,
>> Is there another date that is good for you? We could still have the
>> meeting at 8 pacific. Is that time good for you. If we have it then
>> some of the people in Europe could come. I think it would be a
>> little late for Asia though.
>> Thanks
>> Mike
>>
>> PS. I am assuming you have been getting all of the suggestions
>>
>>
>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Prior to replying to you I checked the LBL Holiday schedule but
>>> neglected to check the BNL holiday schedule.
>>> BNL is closed July 5th so I would not be able to use the AG node
>>> that day.
>>>
>>> (I'll use my initials since there are too many Mikes on this thread)
>>> -moc
>>>
>>> Michael Elmore wrote:
>>>
>>>> sorry about that. I did mean July 5.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike meant July 5th Townhall.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Monika
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom,
>>>>>> Monica Rabarison expressed an interest in having a meeting
>>>>>> to discuss mutlicast issues and troubleshooting for the
>>>>>> access grid. (see below some of the email we have been
>>>>>> sending.) I have found two people who are willing to
>>>>>> participate in this. Mike O'Conner from ESNet and Greg Bell from
>>>>>> LBLNet. Mike is willing to give the
>>>>>> presentation and Greg is willing to help answer
>>>>>> questions. The first question is can this be done at the
>>>>>> 8 am townhall on July 7 (Mike can only do the 8 am presentation)
>>>>>> The second question is what kind of
>>>>>> discussion do you think would be good to present.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, July 5 for the 8AM pacific meeting is fine, I'll
>>>>>>> have to decline the later meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We should talk about the audience and topic of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> discussion. >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Elmore wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>> I just heard from Greg and he said that July 5 is ok
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> with him. He >> also said he would be willing to attend
>>>>>> and help answer questions. >> Mike would you be willing
>>>>>> and could you have a presentation available >> by July 5?
>>>>>> Also, there are usually two meetings for the town hall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One at 8 am pacific and one at 4 pm pacific. Could
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you and would >> you be willing to do both meetings. If
>>>>>> you can only do the morning >> one it would be fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> July 5th is fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Monica et al.,
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if it would be ok to do the meeting
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> at the >>>> July 5 townhall. I will be on vacation for
>>>>>> all of the >>>> dates you listed. Is this ok for MIke
>>>>>> and Greg? >>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any date/time except June 10, 13, and 17 is fine for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> me. >>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Greg and MIke,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I received this from Monika about the content of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the >>>>>> meeting. The date is not set. If you can't
>>>>>> meet at >>>>>> Brookhaven on the 7th, then we could schedule this
>>>>>> for >>>>>> another time. Monika, do you
>>>>>> have another date in mind? >>>>>> Thank you, Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the session is mainly intended for network
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> personel but >>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> node >ops too could benefit from it. When the idea
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> came >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> up >>, what >everyone wanted was mostly about how to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> know >>>> that >>there is a >multicast problem and how to
>>>>>> fix the >>>> problem, >>and also >re-explain how the AG is
>>>>>> using >>>> multicast. There >>is already >an AGDP doc
>>>>>> about these but >>>> apparently >>everyone (mostly node
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> operators) wanted to >>>> have the >>network people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> attend such a >session. It looks >>>> like in >>many cases
>>>>>> , the network person is >not very >>>> familiar with >>the
>>>>>> AG and the node operator is not >very >>>> familiar with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> networking! How technical it should be? >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not very sure >>about this. >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have talked to Greg and he is not sure what he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> prepare for a meeting like this. How
>>>>>> technical he >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>make it etc. He would like to know more
>>>>>>>>>> specifically >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>you would like to get out of a multicast
>>>>>>>>>>>> presentation. >>Thank you and have a good weekend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please do so. June 7 sounds good to me. If it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close >for the presenter(s) any time would do, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> guess. >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monica,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to ask the networking people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>would like to give a presentation? If so
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> then >>>> maybe >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>could do the presentation at the next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Town >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hall >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>June >>7. One of the people might have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> problem with 8 >>>>>> >>am, but >>I can find out. Let me
>>>>>> know or let >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> me >>know >>about another >>time. Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you indeed for your response. You are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> right >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >replied to this suggestion yet. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> cc-ing >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>they are >also interested in such a session
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> at >>>>>> TACC. >>>>Having the talk >on a Town Hall is a
>>>>>> great >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> idea. >>I am >>>>thinking that the >summer might not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> be a >>>> good >>time as >>>>people go on vacation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, we >>>> could have >>it >>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whenever >>the speakers are >available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen >>any other responses either. I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> willing >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>lead >>such a meeting, but I am willing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> try >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and >>get >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>speaker >>for you. One of the Network people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LBNL >>is >>quite >>versed in Multicasting and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> think >>>>>> that he >>might >>be >>willing to give a
>>>>>> talk and I >>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could >>try to >>get the >>person >>at ESNet who
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> isolates >>>> the >>multicast >>troubles on >>ESNet. >>Let
>>>>>> me know what you >>>> >>think. Maybe >>it could be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> done on a >>Town Hall >>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting. Thank you, >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monika.k.rabarison wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A suggestion poped up at the AG retreat on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> organizing >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AG >session for network staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is to have one person or more share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge, >>>>>how-tos, tips, etc...on AG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> network >>>>>>>> support. How does >>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>sound? Is there anyone out there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> willing to >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> lead >>>>such >>>session? Node operators too would
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> indeed >>benefit >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >some of us (at least myself)are not very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> network >>>>>>>>"literate". >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
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