[AG-TECH] creating a venue
Ivan R. Judson
judson at mcs.anl.gov
Tue Mar 9 13:16:18 CST 2004
Oh, I thought you meant phish people.
Heh
--Ivan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Ronald Crummett
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 1:03 PM
> To: tcoffin at ncsa.uiuc.edu; ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
>
> Yeah, "fish people" as in aquaculture. I use it only to mean
> that these people are very intelligent but that their
> specialty is in aquaculture, and they really don't have the
> time to try to figure out why their computer is
> acting up. Nothing offensive intended. Sorry if it was
> viewed otherwise.
>
>
> >From: Tom Coffin <tcoffin at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> >To: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> >Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:51:51 -0500
> >
> >
> >"fish people" as in aquaculture?
> >***
> >The Hagerman Fish Culture Experiment Station serves as a field
> >laboratory for the UI College of Agriculture as part of the
> Aquaculture
> >Research Institute, which is operated jointly with the College of
> >Forestry, Wildlife and Range Sciences. Researchers will use the
> >experiment station to study ways to promote sustainable
> aquaculture for
> >commercial purposes, reduce the impact of fish farming on
> the aquatic
> >envioronment and find solutions to fisheries conservation
> issues for salmonid and freshwater species.
> >
> >***
> >
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________
> >At 11:37 AM 3/9/2004 -0700, Ronald Crummett wrote:
> > >Exciting stuff. Thanks for the suggestions, I really
> appreciate it.
> > >
> > >I like the idea of running the venue server ourselves,
> but it raises a
> > >couple of other questions.
> > >
> > >The AQC that I am doing this for is located in
> Hagerman, ID. I am
> >in Boise,
> > >about 90 minutes up the road. The folks in Hagerman
> are all "fish
> >people"
> > >and don't have any IT staff that I know of. On that note, it
> >seems to me
> > >like it would be good for me to run the venue server
> from Boise,
> >so that in
> > >the event of something going wrong I could fix it
> without spending
> >three
> > >hours round-trip on the road - and having more ready
> access to any
> >needed
> > >resources.
> > >
> > >On the other hand, I have more to do than babysit a
> computer all
> >the time.
> > >I don't know how much effort goes into maintaining a
> venue server.
> >Does it
> > >need to be running all the time?
> > >
> > >Bottom line, I want to create the venue, but I am going
> to be the
> >one who
> > >maintains it for them. I need to make sure it is
> functional, but
> >they are
> > >the ones who will be using it, and we are a fair distance apart
> >for "running
> > >down and checking on things." What do you think - should the
> >server be
> > >located on-site in Hagerman, or should I maintain it in Boise?
> > >
> > >Maybe I'm getting off track here. I hope that my
> concerns make sense.
> > I
> > >would love to hear from you all on this. Thanks so much!
> > >
> > >-Ron Crummett
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Ivan R. Judson" <judson at mcs.anl.gov>
> > >>Reply-To: <judson at mcs.anl.gov>
> > >>To: <ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov>
> > >>CC: "'Jennifer Teig von Hoffman'" <jtvh at bu.edu>, "'Ronald
> >Crummett'"
> > >><ron_crummett at hotmail.com>
> > >>Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> > >>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:21:30 -0600
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I'd like to voice support for Jennifer's point, we
> would love to
> >have folks
> > >>run venue servers for themselves. Perhaps someone
> would create a
> >wiki page
> > >>listing venue servers that are out there so we can trot around
> >from server
> > >>to server :-).
> > >>
> > >>We will continue to host venues for folks who can't (or don't
> >want to), but
> > >>if you need a venue please send email to
> ag-mcs at mcs.anl.gov with
> >a name and
> > >>description. Sending email to Bob is a sure fire way to cause
> >grief for
> > >>everyone. He does have a life outside of the AG and sending
> >requests to
> > >>ag-mcs makes it possible for whoever is available to
> respond to the
> > >>request.
> > >>(This is the same reason certificate requests no
> longer go to Ti,
> >they go
> > >>to
> > >>the group :-).
> > >>
> > >>Thanks!
> > >>
> > >>--Ivan
> > >>
> > >>Btw, there is also good news for all you waiting to
> get institutional
> > >>venues
> > >>on the ag2 server, but I'll let Tom send that email!
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > >> > [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of
> Jennifer Teig
> > >> > von Hoffman
> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:06 AM
> > >> > To: Ronald Crummett
> > >> > Cc: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > >> > Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> > >> >
> > >> > My personal bias would be to set up your own AG2
> venue server
> > >> > and associated Bridge Server. Having your own server gives
> > >> > you control not only over your own bridge, but also the
> > >> > option of access control lists for meetings. Plus if you end
> > >> > up in a situation where you have to work around firewalls,
> > >> > you've got more control over the addresses in use.
> > >> >
> > >> > A couple documents which might help (both from the
> AG2 web site):
> > >> >
> > >> > Virtual Venue Management
> > >> >
> http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/documentati
> > >>on/VENUE_MANAGEMENT_MANUAL_HTML/VenueManagementManualHTML.htm
> > >> >
> > >> > How to run a Bridge Server
> > >> >
> http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/documentati
> > >> > on/BridgeServer-HowTo/BridgeServer-HOWTO.htm
> > >> >
> > >> > - Jennifer
> > >> >
> > >> > Michael Daw wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Both solutions should work. Using QuickBridge (QB) will
> > >> > mean you have
> > >> > > full control of the server. Using VRVS means you will be
> > >> > accessing one
> > >> > > of two servers based in the US, controlled by their hosts
> > >> > and the VRVS
> > >> > > support team. Using VRVS, sites will only be able
> to access
> >a small
> > >> > > subset of the venues (the original ones, i.e. Full Sail,
> > >> > Bridgeport,
> > >> > > etc.), which you ought to book before using.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As to creating your own institutional venue, I
> think the only
> > >> > > (undocumented) way is to e-mail Bob Olson
> >(olson at mcs.anl.gov) and
> > >> > > request one - he is on this list, but he might
> appreciate a
> > >> > direct e-mail request.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --Mike
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >> > >>From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> >[mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On
> > >> > >>Behalf Of Ronald Crummett
> > >> > >>Sent: 09 March 2004 01:26
> > >> > >>To: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
> > >> > >>Subject: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>Hello -
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>Another day, another question. I think you will all be so
> > >> > sad when I
> > >> > >>get this all figured out and don't ask questions
> anymore... ; )
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>I have mentioned previously the project I am
> working on for the
> > >> > >>University of Idaho Aquacultural Center (AQC),
> located near Twin
> > >> > >>Falls, ID. The project has become a little more
> > >> > complicated in that
> > >> > >>the people at the AQC would like to connect to several
> > >> > remote areas,
> > >> > >>namely Indian reservations in the Pacific Northwest. I do
> > >> > not know if
> > >> > >>these reservations will have multicast-enabled Internet
> > >> > access or not,
> > >> > >>which I have learned
> > >> > >>(painfully)
> > >> > >>is pretty important.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>I have two solutions that I am considering:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>1. The Aquacultural Center sets up a quickbridge
> by which the
> > >> > >>reservations can connect to AccessGrid.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>2. The reservations connect to AccessGrid using VRVS.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>I don't know which solution I should favor over the other,
> > >> > and why.
> > >> > >>But I believe that either solution will require
> creation of
> >a venue
> > >> > >>specific to the U of I AQC. So the first, and I
> believe most
> > >> > >>important, question is
> > >> > >>this: how do I create such a venue? I have had a hard
> > >> > time finding
> > >> > >>any documentation on the subject on the AccessGrid web
> > >> > page, though I
> > >> > >>am sure I need to look a little more.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>The second question regards the two proposed
> solutions. I would
> > >> > >>greatly appreciate your feedback on the two
> solutions and any
> > >> > >>tradeoffs that may come about. Thanks so much!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >>-Ron Crummett
> > >> > >>
> > >> >
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