[AG-TECH] creating a venue
Tom Coffin
tcoffin at ncsa.uiuc.edu
Tue Mar 9 12:51:51 CST 2004
"fish people" as in aquaculture?
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At 11:37 AM 3/9/2004 -0700, Ronald Crummett wrote:
>Exciting stuff. Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it.
>
>I like the idea of running the venue server ourselves, but it raises a
>couple of other questions.
>
>The AQC that I am doing this for is located in Hagerman, ID. I am in
Boise,
>about 90 minutes up the road. The folks in Hagerman are all "fish
people"
>and don't have any IT staff that I know of. On that note, it seems to me
>like it would be good for me to run the venue server from Boise, so
that in
>the event of something going wrong I could fix it without spending three
>hours round-trip on the road - and having more ready access to any needed
>resources.
>
>On the other hand, I have more to do than babysit a computer all the
time.
>I don't know how much effort goes into maintaining a venue server.
Does it
>need to be running all the time?
>
>Bottom line, I want to create the venue, but I am going to be the one who
>maintains it for them. I need to make sure it is functional, but they
are
>the ones who will be using it, and we are a fair distance apart for
"running
>down and checking on things." What do you think - should the server be
>located on-site in Hagerman, or should I maintain it in Boise?
>
>Maybe I'm getting off track here. I hope that my concerns make sense. I
>would love to hear from you all on this. Thanks so much!
>
>-Ron Crummett
>
>
>>From: "Ivan R. Judson" <judson at mcs.anl.gov>
>>Reply-To: <judson at mcs.anl.gov>
>>To: <ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov>
>>CC: "'Jennifer Teig von Hoffman'" <jtvh at bu.edu>, "'Ronald Crummett'"
>><ron_crummett at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: RE: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
>>Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:21:30 -0600
>>
>>
>>I'd like to voice support for Jennifer's point, we would love to have
folks
>>run venue servers for themselves. Perhaps someone would create a wiki
page
>>listing venue servers that are out there so we can trot around from
server
>>to server :-).
>>
>>We will continue to host venues for folks who can't (or don't want
to), but
>>if you need a venue please send email to ag-mcs at mcs.anl.gov with a
name and
>>description. Sending email to Bob is a sure fire way to cause grief for
>>everyone. He does have a life outside of the AG and sending requests to
>>ag-mcs makes it possible for whoever is available to respond to the
>>request.
>>(This is the same reason certificate requests no longer go to Ti, they
go
>>to
>>the group :-).
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>--Ivan
>>
>>Btw, there is also good news for all you waiting to get institutional
>>venues
>>on the ag2 server, but I'll let Tom send that email!
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
>> > [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Jennifer Teig
>> > von Hoffman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:06 AM
>> > To: Ronald Crummett
>> > Cc: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
>> > Subject: Re: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
>> >
>> > My personal bias would be to set up your own AG2 venue server
>> > and associated Bridge Server. Having your own server gives
>> > you control not only over your own bridge, but also the
>> > option of access control lists for meetings. Plus if you end
>> > up in a situation where you have to work around firewalls,
>> > you've got more control over the addresses in use.
>> >
>> > A couple documents which might help (both from the AG2 web site):
>> >
>> > Virtual Venue Management
>> > http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/documentati
>>on/VENUE_MANAGEMENT_MANUAL_HTML/VenueManagementManualHTML.htm
>> >
>> > How to run a Bridge Server
>> > http://www-unix.mcs.anl.gov/fl/research/accessgrid/documentati
>> > on/BridgeServer-HowTo/BridgeServer-HOWTO.htm
>> >
>> > - Jennifer
>> >
>> > Michael Daw wrote:
>> >
>> > > Both solutions should work. Using QuickBridge (QB) will
>> > mean you have
>> > > full control of the server. Using VRVS means you will be
>> > accessing one
>> > > of two servers based in the US, controlled by their hosts
>> > and the VRVS
>> > > support team. Using VRVS, sites will only be able to access a small
>> > > subset of the venues (the original ones, i.e. Full Sail,
>> > Bridgeport,
>> > > etc.), which you ought to book before using.
>> > >
>> > > As to creating your own institutional venue, I think the only
>> > > (undocumented) way is to e-mail Bob Olson (olson at mcs.anl.gov) and
>> > > request one - he is on this list, but he might appreciate a
>> > direct e-mail request.
>> > >
>> > > --Mike
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>-----Original Message-----
>> > >>From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov]On
>> > >>Behalf Of Ronald Crummett
>> > >>Sent: 09 March 2004 01:26
>> > >>To: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
>> > >>Subject: [AG-TECH] creating a venue
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>Hello -
>> > >>
>> > >>Another day, another question. I think you will all be so
>> > sad when I
>> > >>get this all figured out and don't ask questions anymore... ; )
>> > >>
>> > >>I have mentioned previously the project I am working on for the
>> > >>University of Idaho Aquacultural Center (AQC), located near Twin
>> > >>Falls, ID. The project has become a little more
>> > complicated in that
>> > >>the people at the AQC would like to connect to several
>> > remote areas,
>> > >>namely Indian reservations in the Pacific Northwest. I do
>> > not know if
>> > >>these reservations will have multicast-enabled Internet
>> > access or not,
>> > >>which I have learned
>> > >>(painfully)
>> > >>is pretty important.
>> > >>
>> > >>I have two solutions that I am considering:
>> > >>
>> > >>1. The Aquacultural Center sets up a quickbridge by which the
>> > >>reservations can connect to AccessGrid.
>> > >>
>> > >>2. The reservations connect to AccessGrid using VRVS.
>> > >>
>> > >>I don't know which solution I should favor over the other,
>> > and why.
>> > >>But I believe that either solution will require creation of a venue
>> > >>specific to the U of I AQC. So the first, and I believe most
>> > >>important, question is
>> > >>this: how do I create such a venue? I have had a hard
>> > time finding
>> > >>any documentation on the subject on the AccessGrid web
>> > page, though I
>> > >>am sure I need to look a little more.
>> > >>
>> > >>The second question regards the two proposed solutions. I would
>> > >>greatly appreciate your feedback on the two solutions and any
>> > >>tradeoffs that may come about. Thanks so much!
>> > >>
>> > >>-Ron Crummett
>> > >>
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