[AG-TECH] Re: AG Retreat 2003
Many Ayromlou
mayromlo at ryerson.ca
Tue Apr 1 20:44:28 CST 2003
Hi All,
After talking to the gang at Ryerson, I think we've all agreed that we would
like to have the AG Retreat 2004 hosted at Ryerson University in Toronto.
I'm not sure about any details right now. I know that Ron Rankine will be at
the Conference from Ryerson this way a preliminary plan of attack can be
established. I have no more details for now and am open to
questions/suggestions.
TTYL
Many Ayromlou
On April 1, 2003 02:37 pm, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I think we would be very interested in holding next year's retreat on some
> very neutral ground!! Last year we met in San Diego,
> perhaps we can meet in Toronto or some other easy to get to location
> (Denver ?) next spring. Knowing what we know now, we will make
> sure to organize it via the University with funding that has no
> restrictions on it.
>
> Offers to host next years retreat will be most welcome!!
>
> --Rick
>
> At 11:57 AM 3/31/2003 -0500, Many Ayromlou wrote:
> >Hi Mike,
> >
> >Thank you for your offer, but I think I'll be able to manage this one (I'm
> >hoping Ryerson will help with the flight) :-)
> >
> >Again, let me say that I understand fully that your hands are tied in this
> >issue, and thank you and others for your support.
> >
> >One thing I was gonna ask (I'm not sure if this will work but I thought it
> >might be worth asking).....Is there a possibility for me to use the AG or
> >perhaps another method (ie: quickbridge, h.323) to either participate
> > and/or just listen in on the conference dates? It's not a huge deal but I
> > thought I ask :-)
> >
> >Anyways, No trust me, I understand that this has nothing to do with the AG
> >gang around the world. I, like others on this group, am hoping that we can
> >hold the conference next year under conditions that would not exclude
> > anyone.
> >
> >
> >TTYL
> >Many
> >
> >On March 31, 2003 10:50 am, Michael E. Papka wrote:
> > > Many,
> > >
> > > Once again I am sorry that this has occurred, as I discussed with Ron
> > > this is a new DOE policy and we were unaware of it at the time we were
> > > organizing the retreat. In the past we only needed 10 days to process
> > > non-U.S. citizens (which we did include in the announcement), this
> > > oversight is my fault for not staying current on these rules. Everyone
> > > involved and even some that are not involved have done everything
> > > possible to fix problem but I am sorry we have not been able to. The
> > > choice to hold the retreat onsite at ANL was made not to exclude
> > > individuals; but instead allow more people to come. When the organizing
> > > group looked at holding the retreat offsite in the Chicago area the
> > > cost per person increased 4-5 times the current fees. An informal poll
> > > led us to believe that registration fees that high would not allow as
> > > many people to attend. As Jim Feigl discussed with Ron on Friday we are
> > > looking into a way to have either ANL or UC or our research group on
> > > its own find a way to reimburse you for any losses. At this time I
> > > would like to extend another offer; we would like you and any of your
> > > colleagues at Ryerson to come visit the AG team at the University of
> > > Chicago in May. You can reuse your non-refundable ticket for travel and
> > > we will pick up the rest of your travel expenses. I know this is less
> > > than ideal, but there is nothing we can do about the DOE policy at this
> > > time, and this would allow you some focused time with the AG group.
> > >
> > > Again I'm sorry, please don't let this unfortunate event reflect on the
> > > AG community in a negative way.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov [mailto:owner-ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov] On
> > > Behalf Of mmurphy at ryerson.ca
> > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:54 PM
> > > To: mayromlo at ryerson.ca
> > > Cc: ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov; tallen at ryerson.ca; rrankine at ryerson.ca;
> > > bfortner at ryerson.ca
> > > Subject: [AG-TECH] Re: AG Retreat 2003
> > >
> > >
> > > Many:
> > >
> > > This is simply outrageous. I didn't know that the USA had second-class
> > > citizenship for some Canadians. What an absolute disgrace! Is the US
> > > government also preventing its own US citizens who were born in
> > > "certain countries" from attending? I thought this project was all
> > > about open source development around the world.
> > >
> > > Sadly, I am angered but not surprised. I will NOT be attending. I was
> > > born in Canada, but my ancestors came from Ireland, so who knows when
> > > we will be next.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael J. Murphy, P.Eng., PhD
> > > Professor and Head of Audio & New Media
> > > School of Radio & Television Arts
> > > Ryerson University, Toronto Canada
> > > tel:(416) 979-5000 ext. 7010
> > > fax: (416) 979-5246
> > > e-mail: mmurphy at ryerson.ca
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Many Ayromlou <mayromlo at ryerson.ca>
> > > Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:27 pm
> > > Subject: AG Retreat 2003
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > As the principal technical support person for the AG project at
> > > > Ryerson
> > > > University, I'm writing this to inform everyone of the regulations
> > > > that have
> > > > been put into place for agretreat 2003 by the Department Of Energy
> > > > and how
> > > > this has affected me. I'm a researcher currently working from
> > > > Ryerson
> > > > University in Toronto, Canada. I'm a Canadian Citizen and have
> > > > been living in
> > > > Cananda for 16 years. Previous to that I lived in Salzburg,
> > > > Austria for 5
> > > > years. I was also born in Tehran, Iran 34 years ago in September
> > > > 1969.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see below the AG Retreat 2003 was announced on Sat.
> > > > March 01 2003
> > > > in the following Email that went out on this list:
> > > >
> > > > On March 1, 2003 09:02 pm, Michael E. Papka wrote:
> > > > > ACCESS GRID RETREAT 2003
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/fl/events/agr2003/
> > > > >
> > > > > The Access Grid Technical Retreat 2003 will be taking place at
> > > >
> > > > Argonne> National Laboratory, April 15-16, 2003. Program topics
> > > > are provided below,
> > > >
> > > > > with the major
> > > > > focus on moving the community from AG 1.0 to AG 2.0 and
> > > >
> > > > increasing the
> > > >
> > > > > community involvement in the development of tools and
> > > >
> > > > infrastructure for
> > > >
> > > > > AG 2.0. There will be a nominal registration fee for this
> > > >
> > > > retreat (details
> > > >
> > > > > follow).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > PROGRAM Topics:
> > > > >
> > > > > PLENARY TRACK
> > > > > How does the AG become platform for Grid computing?
> > > > > How to build a community?
> > > > > Security
> > > > > AG X.X wish list
> > > > > Innovative uses of the AG
> > > > > Use of the AG in private sector
> > > > > Scheduling
> > > > > SCGlobal
> > > > >
> > > > > DEVELOPERS TRACK
> > > > > Building applications on top the AG 2.0 platform.
> > > > > Extensions to Virtual Venues (Core, Services, Applications)
> > > > > Voyager 2.0 architecture
> > > > > Globus
> > > > > pyglobus
> > > > > AG 2.0 packaging and install
> > > > >
> > > > > USERS TRACK
> > > > > Development status and timelines geared towards users.
> > > > > Bringing folks into AG community
> > > > > Troubleshooting AG sessions
> > > > > Operation of AG 2.0
> > > > > Effects of AG 2.0 on meeting and event planning
> > > > > Issues of interest to managers
> > > > >
> > > > > LOCATION INFORMATION:
> > > > > Argonne National Laboratory
> > > > > 9700 South Cass Avenue
> > > > > Argonne, Illinois 60439
> > > > > 630.252.2000
> > > > >
> > > > > AG RETREAT LOCATION:
> > > > > Advanced Photon Source (APS) Conference Center
> > > > > Building 402, APS Auditorium
> > > > >
> > > > > REGISTRATION FEES:
> > > > > $35 for Argonne employees
> > > > > $50 for U.S. Department of Energy employees
> > > > > $85 for all others organizations
> > > > > (All payment information and options found on AG Retreat 2003
> > > >
> > > > website> listed above.)
> > > >
> > > > > MEETING REGISTRATION:
> > > > > You need to formally register for these meetings. Registration is
> > > > > REQUIRED in order to enter Argonne's site.
> > > >
> > > > Please read over
> > > >
> > > > > the AG Retreat 2003 web pages listed above for detailed
> > > > > information.
> > > > >
> > > > > Deadline for housing is March 28, 2003.
> > > > > Deadline for registration will be determined upon volume of
> > > >
> > > > attendees> registered.
> > > >
> > > > > Deadline for registration of all non-U.S. citizens is 10 days
> > > >
> > > > prior to
> > > >
> > > > > their arrival onsite.
> > > > >
> > > > > HOTEL ARRANGEMENTS:
> > > > > Deadline is March 28, 2003
> > > > > Please note, the above meeting registration will only "register"
> > > >
> > > > you for
> > > >
> > > > > attendance at the meeting. You will need to call the hotel
> > > >
> > > > directly to make
> > > >
> > > > > your room arrangements. To make hotel arrangements, please contact:
> > > > >
> > > > > Argonne Guest House (Marriott Hotel)
> > > > > Argonne National Laboratory
> > > > > 9700 South Cass Avenue - Building 460
> > > > > Argonne, IL 60439
> > > > > Reservations: (800) 632-8990 or (630) 739-6000
> > > > > Fax: (630) 739-1000
> > > > > argonne-guest-house at anl.gov
> > > > > The rate is $65.00
> > > > >
> > > > > GENERAL INFORMATION:
> > > > > You will need to bring your driver's license for entry to the
> > > >
> > > > Laboratory.> If you are from a DOE Laboratory, please bring your
> > > > badge with you. If you
> > > >
> > > > > will be off-normal hours, please proceed directly to the guard
> > > >
> > > > gate. If you
> > > >
> > > > > are arriving on 8:30-5 Monday through Friday, please stop at the
> > > >
> > > > Argonne> Information Center.
> > > >
> > > > > VISITOR PAGES: http://www-
> > > >
> > > > fp.mcs.anl.gov/division/information/visitors/> Argonne Home Page:
> > > > http://www.anl.gov/OPA/anlil.html> Chicago Area Map:
> > > > http://www.anl.gov/OPA/photo/chimap3.gif> Argonne Site Map:
> > > > http://www.anl.gov/OPA/ilsitemap.html>
> > > >
> > > > > Limousine Information:
> > > > > The following are available limousine services between O'Hare or
> > > >
> > > > Midway> Airport and ANL. To make advance reservations call:
> > > > American Limousine
> > > >
> > > > > 630-920-8888 United Limousine 630/969-3865 or out of state
> > > >
> > > > 800/826-034
> > > >
> > > > > Argonne National Laboratory is about 45 minutes by car from each
> > > >
> > > > of the two
> > > >
> > > > > major Chicago airports, O'Hare and Midway. Limousine service is
> > > >
> > > > available> from each airport, and major car rental agencies serve
> > > > both airports. (Make
> > > >
> > > > > sure limousine takes you all the way to conference center,
> > > >
> > > > hotel, or
> > > >
> > > > > building destination.)
> > > >
> > > > My manager and I registered for this conference (thru fax) on Fri.
> > > > March 21
> > > > 2003 (see below for the response from anl):
> > > >
> > > > On March 21, 2003 02:11 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > We have received your registration form for the Access Grid
> > > >
> > > > Retreat 2003.
> > > >
> > > > > Please remember to make your accommodation arrangements directly
> > > >
> > > > with the
> > > >
> > > > > hotel. The number for the Argonne Guest House is 800. 632.8990 or
> > > > > 630.739.6000. A block of rooms has been reserved under the
> > > >
> > > > meeting name
> > > >
> > > > > "Access Grid Retreat". Please reference that when you make your
> > > > > reservation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please enter Argonne at the Northgate entrance on Cass Avenue.
> > > >
> > > > If you do
> > > >
> > > > > not have a U.S. Department of Energy badge, you need to go to
> > > >
> > > > the Argonne
> > > >
> > > > > Information Center, identify yourself as an attendee at the
> > > >
> > > > Retreat, and
> > > >
> > > > > pick up your Gate Pass. You must prominently display your pass
> > > >
> > > > while on
> > > >
> > > > > site. After normal business hours and on weekends, your name
> > > >
> > > > will be at
> > > >
> > > > > the Guard Post. A photo I.D., such as a driver's license or
> > > >
> > > > passport, is
> > > >
> > > > > required for site access. All vehicles entering the site are
> > > >
> > > > subject to
> > > >
> > > > > search.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A second confirmation will be sent to you when your credit is
> > > >
> > > > processed for
> > > >
> > > > > the $85 registration fee.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Marianne (630.252.5587)
> > > >
> > > > On the same day I also booked a flight from Lasvegas to Chicago,
> > > > since I'm
> > > > down in vegas for the NAB conference (National Association of
> > > > Broadcasters).
> > > > I also did hotel reservations at the hotel on ANL Campus. All this
> > > > has cost
> > > > me directly C$1500 (Had to burn my CC since I was buying the
> > > > ticket online).
> > > >
> > > > Today I received an Email from Michael Papka telling me that I can
> > > > NOT attend
> > > > this years conference because I was born (literally) in the WRONG
> > > > COUNTRY!!!
> > > >
> > > > On March 25, 2003 11:24 am, you wrote:
> > > > > Many,
> > > > >
> > > > > New guidance from the DOE requires additional review and
> > > >
> > > > approvals for
> > > >
> > > > > persons from particular countries and this process may take from
> > > >
> > > > 60 to 120
> > > >
> > > > > days to complete. We regret we cannot accept your registration
> > > >
> > > > for the
> > > >
> > > > > Access Grid Retreat 2003 this year. We will be happy to provide
> > > >
> > > > you with
> > > >
> > > > > proceedings post-meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael E. Papka
> > > > > Futures Laboratory
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The following participant was successfully registered for the
> > > >
> > > > Access Grid
> > > >
> > > > > 2003 Retreat.
> > > > > (remember it is the place of birth, not citizenship at issue now)
> > > > >
> > > > > >Name : Many Ayromlou
> > > > > >Company : Ryerson University
> > > > > >Address :
> > > > > >350 Victoria Street
> > > > > >City, State ZIP : Toronto, Ontario, M5B 2K3
> > > > > >Country : Canada
> > > > > >Phone : 416-979-5000 x7642
> > > > > >Fax : 416-979-5203
> > > > > >Email : mayromlo at ryerson.ca
> > > > > >Track : developer
> > > > > >Arrival Date : 04/13/03
> > > > > >Departure Date : 04/17/03
> > > > > >Registration Type : General ($85)
> > > > > >Special Needs :
> > > > > >None
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This participant is a Non-U.S. Citizen. The relevant citizenship
> > > > > >information follows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Country of Citizenship : Canada
> > > > > >Place of Birth : Tehran, Iran
> > > > > >Date of Birth : 09/07/69
> > > > > >Passport : %%%%%%%
> > > > > >Passport Exipration : Nov. 01, 2005
> > > > > >Immigrent Alien : no
> > > > > >Gender : male
> > > > > >Duties :
> > > > > >IT Specialist - ResearchAG
> > > >
> > > > Now considering that ANL only announced the conrefence URL's on
> > > > March 1, how
> > > > was I supposed to get clearance fully 60-120 days prioir. Also why
> > > > was this
> > > > not mentioned on the registration website at the time I
> > > > registered. I've now
> > > > spent a lot of money out of my own pocket to attend this
> > > > conference which I
> > > > can not get back (no refunds on plane ticket and I have no idea
> > > > what happens
> > > > to the hotel reservation).
> > > >
> > > > I was about to send this email out to the list on Tuesday March
> > > > 25, but I
> > > > didn't. My manager has since talked to Mary Fritsch and Michael
> > > > Papka and
> > > > they have been more than willing to try to help with this matter
> > > > (Thank you
> > > > guys). But it turns out that even if the conference was not taking
> > > > place on
> > > > ANL grounds, since DOE is sponsering the conference the same rules
> > > > would
> > > > apply.
> > > >
> > > > I have no beef with the ANL staff since they have been trying to
> > > > get this
> > > > resolved on my behalf. I just wanted everyone to know....up to
> > > > this point I
> > > > thought AccessGrid was a worldwide phenomena.....but apprently not
> > > > according
> > > > to DOE.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Many Ayromlou
> > > > System Engineer, Research and Projects
> > > > Ryerson University.
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