FW: Grid node at eXCHANGE?

Thu Sep 21 15:11:02 CDT 2000

Bob:

My first choice would be to use the AG if we could, since it would be great
publicity for one of the main thrusts of our NSF partnership. Hopefully,
you will get some additional info soon from Rick Stevens or others on the
AG list about what would need to be done to establish a Grid link at the
demo site (equipment, staff to run it, space requirements, etc.) 

If an AG node isn't possible, it seems like Mike's suggestion could be an
option, although I certainly don't have the technical knowledge to comment
on the technical aspects of it.

Karen

At 12:30 PM 9/21/00 -0700, Fogel, Robert wrote:
>I'm not exactly certain who Mike is from the e-mails below, but would like
>to get your inputs on his responses.
>
>Robert Fogel
>253.371.7075
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mikep at es.net [mailto:mikep at es.net]
>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:37 AM
>To: robert.fogel at intel.com
>Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
>
>
>If it's connected like this:
>
>H.323 client....LAN....router.....T1.....Internet/ESnet...
>
>yes.
>
>
>
>----------------------------------
>Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through 
>experiences of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision
>cleared, ambition inspired and success achieved. Helen Keller 
>
>Mike Pihlman
>Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
>1 Cyclotron Rd.
>Berkeley, CA 94720
>MS 50A-3111
>510-486-5855 phone
>H.323: 1*198128004058*2051
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Fogel, Robert [mailto:robert.fogel at intel.com]
>>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 11:30 AM
>>To: Mike Pihlman
>>Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
>>
>>
>>Hey Mike, Can this be done with a T1 line?  Thanks.
>>
>>Robert Fogel
>>253.371.7075
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: mikep at es.net [mailto:mikep at es.net]
>>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:18 AM
>>To: robert.fogel at intel.com
>>Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
>>
>>
>>H.323 works really well over a controlled IP infrastructure.  ESnet
>>(www.es.net) is that kind of a network.  I have used it with 
>>folks on the
>>"regular" Internet and have had mixed results.  The products 
>>are readily
>>available (clients, MCU's, gateways for H.320 to H.323 
>>interoperability, and
>>gatekeepers to keep it all organized).  Intel made several 
>>clients until
>>recently: ProShare and TeamStation to name two.  ESnet (i.e. 
>>me) is just
>>getting started working with the Access GRID folks to see if we can
>>interoperate H.323 with the AG.  Over time, I think it's very 
>>possible.  One
>>big issue (for the potential H.323 AG user) is the possible 
>>loss of the AG
>>"experience" which is VERY VERY impressive (with another VERY 
>>in there !).
>>
>>But, H.323 users can have quite an impressive experience of 
>>their own. I
>>regularly talk to folks in CERN, the UK, and many locations 
>>around the U.S
>>(most over ESnet and/or I2). At 384 kbps...it's really natural 
>>and provides
>>very good video and audio.
>>
>>I have an H.323 portal (it's for a very small audience, so 
>>it's not fancy)
>>where you can link to many companies with H.323 products.  You can get
>>there:
>>
>>http://grin.es.net/mikep-html/h323.html
>>
>>Use guest and guest as your login and password to roam around 
>>the site.  I
>>have a Products page that links you to a number of vendor 
>>sites (including
>>yours!). 
>>
>>Again, I am not taking anything away from the Access 
>>GRID....it is a super
>>environment and something that is very needed.....and I 
>>encourage you to
>>continue your original investigations into using it.  
>>
>>Mike   
>>
>>----------------------------------
>>Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through 
>>experiences of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision
>>cleared, ambition inspired and success achieved. Helen Keller 
>>
>>Mike Pihlman
>>Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
>>1 Cyclotron Rd.
>>Berkeley, CA 94720
>>MS 50A-3111
>>510-486-5855 phone
>>H.323: 1*198128004058*2051
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Fogel, Robert [mailto:robert.fogel at intel.com]
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:59 AM
>>>To: Mike Pihlman
>>>Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
>>>
>>>
>>>No.  We have not considered.  I was hoping that we could do 
>>>some kind of
>>>hybrid where Dan would be on the access grid and we would use 
>>>an internet
>>>link to access.  Other suggestions more than welcome.  Perhaps 
>>>you could
>>>elaborate a bit on yours.  Thank you.
>>>
>>>Robert Fogel
>>>253.371.7075
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: mikep at es.net [mailto:mikep at es.net]
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:19 AM
>>>To: robert.fogel at intel.com
>>>Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert:
>>>
>>>I am on the Access GRID mail list.  Just wondering if you had 
>>>considered an
>>>H.323 solution?  Please understand...this question is not, by 
>>>any means,
>>>meant to take anything away from the Access GRID.....I'm just curious.
>>>
>>>Regards, Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------
>>>Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through 
>>>experiences of trial and suffering can the soul be 
>>strengthened, vision
>>>cleared, ambition inspired and success achieved. Helen Keller 
>>>
>>>Mike Pihlman
>>>Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
>>>Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
>>>1 Cyclotron Rd.
>>>Berkeley, CA 94720
>>>MS 50A-3111
>>>510-486-5855 phone
>>>H.323: 1*198128004058*2051
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Fogel, Robert [mailto:robert.fogel at intel.com]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 7:58 AM
>>>>To: 'Karen Green'; Rick Stevens; ag-tech at mcs.anl.gov
>>>>Cc: Fogel, Robert
>>>>Subject: RE: Grid node at eXCHANGE?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You can also reach me at the number below.  During the week of 
>>>>10/9, Intel
>>>>is hosting the first official rollout of IA-64 and Itanium.  
>>The event
>>>>(called the "eXCHANGE") will host over 5000 OEMs, ISVs, EBSPs 
>>>>and End-Users
>>>>aligned to deliver IA-64 based solutions and products.  Key 
>>>>Notes will be
>>>>delivered by Intel's Andy Grove, Craig Barrett, Paul S. 
>>>>Otellini, HP's Carly
>>>>Fiorina, IBM's John M. Thompson and Microsoft's Bill Gates.
>>>>
>>>>The eXCHANGE is also setting up seven 15 minute live 
>>>>interviews with key
>>>>technology leaders/innovators, and they would like Dan Reed to 
>>>>participate.
>>>>Since Dan is unable to make the engagement in person, the idea 
>>>>came up to
>>>>use the access grid and a live video feed from Champaign for 
>>>>the interview.
>>>>This would be a great PR angle: delivering a message for the 
>>future of
>>>>computing using the next generation communications infrastructure...
>>>>
>>>>We don't necessarily expect to setup a grid node at the 
>>>>eXCHANGE itself,
>>>>which is in San Francisco, but perhaps this could be done with a high
>>>>bandwidth internet connection on our end.  Please let us know  
>>>>what we would
>>>>need on our end.  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>Robert Fogel
>>>>253.371.7075
>
>
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