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I think I disagree on both points:<br>
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i) I think that we could produce some tools that would grab the
relevant files and stick them somewhere central. I've proposed some
ideas in previous emails.<br>
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ii) Of course we can imagine sophisticated tools. But there are also
tools that various of you have already produced that generate graphs of
various sorts. We should package these and (I think) integrate them
with (i) so that when we grab the files we also run the programs to
generate the graphs.<br>
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Ian.<br>
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<pre wrap="">As far as I see, Ian asked for two separate things:
i) most importantly (to him) the collection of raw data. that's a case of
collecting files and not changing them.
ii) the development of a log analysis stack. This very much overlaps with
what CEDPS and is a much bigger job. There are two fairly contradictory
views: that we shouldn't let CEDPS get in our way, and that we should have
a pile of hacked up tools.
i) is something for app people to do.
ii) is a much bigger development effort which really should go in the
bugzilla and wait its turn.
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Mike Wilde wrote:
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<pre wrap="">collecting logs and generating reports/plots easily and in a standard format,
so we can set goals against specific metrics for each workflow/application and
track how we are progressing against those goals, for each.
- Mike
Mihael Hategan wrote, On 6/25/2007 11:15 AM:
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<pre wrap="">So who is going to do this?
I've been asking about this for some time, and nothing has happened. The
result, I think, has been a lot of confusion and delay.
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<pre wrap="">Are we still talking about collecting logs? I'm a bit confused.
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<pre wrap="">I agree fully with Mihael's point that we can and should start gathering
all execution logs into a uniformly structured gathering place. Then we
can organize the current log tools and determine whats needed next in
that area.
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Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
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