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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Junchao, I am accessing a pre-compiled version of PETSc via MOOSE, so unfortunately, I don’t have those configure log files.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Note that all function calls became slower.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Ling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 9:28</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Zou, Ling <lzou@anl.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov <petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [petsc-users] Would Mac OS version affect PETSc/C/C++ performance?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi, Ling, MatMult almost degraded 20%, which is a lot. Do you have configure.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">log
 for the two builds? We might find compiler discrepancies from it. --Junchao Zhang On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 8:</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">57 AM Zou, Ling <lzou@</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">anl.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white"> </span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">gov>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi, Ling,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">   MatMult almost degraded 20%, which is a lot.   Do you have configure.log for the two builds?   We might find compiler discrepancies from it.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">--Junchao Zhang<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 8:57</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">AM Zou, Ling <<a href="mailto:lzou@anl.gov">lzou@anl.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Junchao,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yeah, I have part of the log_view, for the same code, same version of PETSc (3.20), but two OS (Ventura vs. Sonoma).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Note that PETSc function call numbers are exactly the same.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I suspect that it’s just OS becomes slower, or maybe something related to the compiler.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Ling</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After updating Mac OS from Ventura to Sonoma, I am seeing my PETSc code having slightly-larger-than 10% of performance degradation (only in terms
 of execution time).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I track the number of major function calls, they are identical between the two OS (so PETSc is not the one to blame), but just slower.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is this something expected, any one also experienced it?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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