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 Sparse matrix factorizations generally take much less memory than dense factorizations. How much memory they require depends on the number of nonzeros in the original matrix and the nonzero pattern. The amount of memory required for the factorization
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<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div>  Sparse matrix factorizations generally take much less memory than dense factorizations. How much memory they require depends on the number of nonzeros in the original matrix and the nonzero pattern. The amount of memory required for the factorization can easily be 5 to 10 times that of the original matrix. You can start with smaller problems to "get a feeling" for how much memory is required for the factorization and then gradually increase the problem size to see what is achievable. For large problems with a direct solver, you will want to use MUMPS (./configure --download-mumps) and run it on multiple compute nodes.  Iterative solvers generally use much less memory and scale better for larger problems but are problem specific. <div><br></div><div>  Barry</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 18, 2024, at 6:23 PM, neil liu <liufield@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div dir="ltr" id="pfptBannerkfa9e8c" style="color-scheme: revert !important; writing-mode: revert !important; -webkit-ruby-position: revert !important; color: revert !important; font-family: revert !important; font-feature-settings: revert !important; font-kerning: revert !important; font-optical-sizing: revert !important; font-palette: revert !important; font-size: revert !important; font-size-adjust: revert !important; font-stretch: revert !important; font-style: revert !important; font-synthesis-small-caps: revert !important; font-synthesis-style: revert !important; font-synthesis-weight: revert !important; font-variant-alternates: revert !important; font-variant-caps: revert !important; font-variant-east-asian: revert !important; font-variant-emoji: revert !important; font-variant-ligatures: revert !important; font-variant-numeric: revert !important; font-variant-position: revert !important; font-variation-settings: revert !important; font-weight: revert !important; text-orientation: revert !important; text-rendering: revert !important; zoom: revert !important; -webkit-font-smoothing: revert !important; -webkit-locale: revert !important; -webkit-text-size-adjust: revert !important; -webkit-text-zoom: revert !important; letter-spacing: revert !important; text-autospace: revert !important; text-spacing-trim: revert !important; accent-color: revert !important; align-content: revert !important; align-items: revert !important; align-self: revert !important; alignment-baseline: revert !important; alt: revert !important; animation-composition: revert !important; animation: revert !important; animation-timeline: revert !important; appearance: revert !important; aspect-ratio: revert !important; backface-visibility: revert !important; background-attachment: revert !important; background-blend-mode: revert !important; background-image: revert !important; background-position: revert !important; background-repeat: revert !important; background-size: revert !important; baseline-shift: revert !important; block-step-insert: revert !important; block-step-size: revert !important; border-collapse: revert !important; border-image: revert !important; box-sizing: revert !important; break-after: revert !important; break-before: revert !important; break-inside: revert !important; buffered-rendering: revert !important; caption-side: revert !important; caret-color: revert !important; clear: revert !important; clip: revert !important; clip-path: revert !important; clip-rule: revert !important; color-interpolation: revert !important; color-interpolation-filters: revert !important; column-count: revert !important; column-fill: revert !important; column-gap: revert !important; column-rule-color: revert !important; column-rule-style: revert !important; column-rule-width: revert !important; column-span: revert !important; column-width: revert !important; contain: revert !important; container-name: revert !important; container-type: revert !important; content: revert !important; content-visibility: revert !important; counter-increment: revert !important; counter-reset: revert !important; counter-set: revert !important; cursor: revert !important; cx: revert !important; cy: revert !important; dominant-baseline: revert !important; empty-cells: revert !important; fill: revert !important; fill-opacity: revert !important; fill-rule: revert !important; filter: revert !important; flex: revert !important; flex-flow: revert !important; float: revert !important; flood-color: revert !important; flood-opacity: revert !important; glyph-orientation-horizontal: revert !important; glyph-orientation-vertical: revert !important; grid: revert !important; grid-column-end: revert !important; grid-column-start: revert !important; grid-row-end: revert !important; grid-row-start: revert !important; hang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