<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div><div></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div> Barry</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2024, at 6:10 PM, David Andrs <andrsd@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div dir="ltr" id="pfptBannerr5oxr74" style="color-scheme: revert !important; writing-mode: revert !important; -webkit-ruby-position: revert !important; color: revert !important; font-family: revert !important; font-feature-settings: revert !important; font-kerning: revert !important; font-optical-sizing: revert !important; font-palette: revert !important; font-size: revert !important; font-size-adjust: revert !important; 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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Is there a reason why the PETSc build system looks for libOpenCL.a, but not for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libOpenCL.so__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!aUphnoqlYDmqiqau_zLjz7XYVRCrIS7jxMEPFgTLd1sLr9q23CNw_4oCjg_wtfFJ9P9SzlfKpcPjVmRbGNc$">libOpenCL.so</a> on linux platforms? I have a machine with debian 12.5 and nvidia card. It has these packages installed:</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div>cuda-opencl-12-5/unknown,now 12.5.39-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]</div><div>cuda-opencl-dev-12-5/unknown,now 12.5.39-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]</div><div>nvidia-libopencl1/unknown,now 555.42.02-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]</div><div>nvidia-opencl-common/unknown,now 555.42.02-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]</div><div>nvidia-opencl-icd/unknown,now 555.42.02-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]</div><div>opencl-c-headers/stable,now 3.0~2023.02.06-1 all [installed,automatic]</div><div>opencl-clhpp-headers/stable,now 3.0~2023.02.06-1 all [installed,automatic]</div><div>opencl-headers/stable,now 3.0~2023.02.06-1 all [installed]</div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">It only has .so, but no .a</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div>$ find /usr -iname 'libopencl*'</div><div>/usr/local/cuda-12.5/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libopencl.so/__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!fis2yLY1v2kQl5bz3hEn8m2jBq2Zfz75Rjul4mq1_niekM1xaL51ScJPJk_UpGeKg6p3oiI_fedBIDdAhWQ$">libOpenCL.so</a>.1.0.0</div><div>/usr/local/cuda-12.5/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libopencl.so/__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!fis2yLY1v2kQl5bz3hEn8m2jBq2Zfz75Rjul4mq1_niekM1xaL51ScJPJk_UpGeKg6p3oiI_fedBIDdAhWQ$">libOpenCL.so</a>.1</div><div>/usr/local/cuda-12.5/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libopencl.so/__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!fis2yLY1v2kQl5bz3hEn8m2jBq2Zfz75Rjul4mq1_niekM1xaL51ScJPJk_UpGeKg6p3oiI_fedBIDdAhWQ$">libOpenCL.so</a></div><div>/usr/local/cuda-12.5/targets/x86_64-linux/lib/<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libopencl.so/__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!fis2yLY1v2kQl5bz3hEn8m2jBq2Zfz75Rjul4mq1_niekM1xaL51ScJPJk_UpGeKg6p3oiI_fedBIDdAhWQ$">libOpenCL.so</a>.1.0</div><div>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libopencl.so/__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!fis2yLY1v2kQl5bz3hEn8m2jBq2Zfz75Rjul4mq1_niekM1xaL51ScJPJk_UpGeKg6p3oiI_fedBIDdAhWQ$">libOpenCL.so</a>.1.0.0</div><div>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__http://libopencl.so/__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!fis2yLY1v2kQl5bz3hEn8m2jBq2Zfz75Rjul4mq1_niekM1xaL51ScJPJk_UpGeKg6p3oiI_fedBIDdAhWQ$">libOpenCL.so</a>.1</div></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Are users supposed to use `--with-opencl-include=` and `--with-opencl-lib` switches in this case?</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; 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