<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 8:16 AM Pantelis Moschopoulos <<a href="mailto:pmoschopoulos@outlook.com">pmoschopoulos@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5273492796575530530">
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Thank you for your response. This is an idealized setup where I have only one row/column. Sometimes we might need two or even three constraints based on the application. Thus, I will pursue the user-defined IS.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Anything < 50 I would use MatLRC. The bottleneck is the inversion of a dense matrix of size k x k, where k is the number of constraints. Using an IS is definitely fine, but dense rows can detract from iterative convergence.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5273492796575530530"><div dir="ltr">
<div><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">When I supply the IS using the command PCFieldSplitSetIS, I do not specify anything
in the matrix set up right?</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You should just need to specify the rows for each field as an IS.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div> Matt</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5273492796575530530"><div dir="ltr">
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<div dir="ltr" id="m_-5273492796575530530divRplyFwdMsg"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><b>Από:</b> Matthew Knepley <<a href="mailto:knepley@gmail.com" target="_blank">knepley@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Στάλθηκε:</b> Τρίτη, 23 Ιανουαρίου 2024 2:51 μμ<br>
<b>Προς:</b> Pantelis Moschopoulos <<a href="mailto:pmoschopoulos@outlook.com" target="_blank">pmoschopoulos@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Κοιν.:</b> Barry Smith <<a href="mailto:bsmith@petsc.dev" target="_blank">bsmith@petsc.dev</a>>; <a href="mailto:petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov</a>><br>
<b>Θέμα:</b> Re: [petsc-users] Question about a parallel implementation of PCFIELDSPLIT</span>
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Dear Matt and Dear Barry,</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I have some follow up questions regarding FieldSplit. </span></div>
<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Let's assume that I solve again the 3D Stokes flow but now I have also a global constraint
that controls the flow rate at the inlet. Now, the matrix has the same unknowns as before, i.e. ux0,uy0,uz0,p0//ux1,uy1,uz1,p1//..., but the last line (and the last column) corresponds to the contribution of the global constraint equation. I want to incorporate
the last line (and last column) into the local block of velocities (split 0) and the pressure. The problem is how I do that. I have two questions:</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Now, the block size should be 5 in the matrix and vector creation for this problem?</span></li></ol>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">No. Blocksize is only useful when the vector/matrix layout is completely regular, meaning
_every_ block looks the same. Here you have a single row to be added in.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I have to rely entirely on PCFieldSplitSetIS to create the two blocks? Can I augment simply the previously defined
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If you want to add in a single row, then you have to specify the IS yourself since
we cannot generate it from the regular pattern.</span></div>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">However, if you know that you will only ever have a single constraint row (which I
assume is fairly dense), then I would suggest instead using MatLRC, which Jose developed for SLEPc. This handles the last row/col as a low-rank correction. One step of Sherman-Morrison-Woobury solves this exactly. It requires a solve for A, for which you can
use FieldSplit as normal.</span></div>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Up to this moment, I use the following commands to create the Field split:</span></div>
<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">ufields(3) = [0, 1, 2]<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> call PCFieldSplitSetFields(pc, "0", 3, ufields, ufields,ierr)</span></div>
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<b>Στάλθηκε:</b> Παρασκευή, 19 Ιανουαρίου 2024 11:31 μμ<br>
<b>Προς:</b> Barry Smith <<a href="mailto:bsmith@petsc.dev" id="m_-5273492796575530530OWA10c7918c-8c37-fd2f-9580-474232da7c4b" target="_blank">bsmith@petsc.dev</a>><br>
<b>Κοιν.:</b> Pantelis Moschopoulos <<a href="mailto:pmoschopoulos@outlook.com" id="m_-5273492796575530530OWA2dedc01b-a413-7fc8-f7b2-bcaf8abadc0b" target="_blank">pmoschopoulos@outlook.com</a>>;
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<b>Θέμα:</b> Re: [petsc-users] Question about a parallel implementation of PCFIELDSPLIT</span>
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<div style="direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Generally fieldsplit is used on problems that have a natural "split" of the variables
into two or more subsets. For example u0,v0,u1,v1,u2,v2,u3,v4 This is often indicated in the vectors and matrices with the "blocksize" argument, 2 in this case. DM also often provides this information. </span></div>
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of of the subsets appears on each MPI process. So, for example, if the above vector is distributed over 3 MPI processes one could use u0,v0,u1,v1 u2,v2 u3,v3 but one cannot use u0,v0,u1 v1,u2,v2 u3,v3. Another way to think about it is that
one must split up the vector as indexed by block among the processes. For most multicomponent problems this type of decomposition is very natural in the logic of the code.</span></div>
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<span style="letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">When I am using PCFIELDSPLIT and pc type "schur" in serial mode everything works fine. When
I turn now to parallel, I observe that the number of ranks that I can use must divide the number of N without any remainder, where N is the number of unknowns. Otherwise, an error of the following form emerges: "Local columns of A10 3473 do not equal local
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more interesting than any results to which their experiments lead.<br>
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