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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve attached typical examples of “A” and “b”. Do these qualify as large values?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The two runs are with and without “-ksp_pc_side right”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Barry Smith <bsmith@petsc.dev> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 7, 2021 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Fischer, Greg A. <fischega@westinghouse.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Fischer, Greg A. via petsc-users <petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [petsc-users] KSPBuildResidual and KSPType compatibility<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When the preconditioned and non-preconditioner residual norms as so hugely different this usually indicates something is badly scaled or something "bad" is happening within the preconditioner. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">0 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.434689662304e-01 true resid norm 1.413757649058e+09 ||r(i)||/||b|| 1.442188243865e-04
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<p class="MsoNormal">19 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.505576228085e-15 true resid norm 1.810377537457e-02 ||r(i)||/||b|| 1.846784138157e-15<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">notice that at the end the true residual is not particularly small. Is your b really big and does the matrix have really large values in it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are the two runs? Left and right preconditioning with ibcgs or something else?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 7, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Fischer, Greg A. <<a href="mailto:fischega@westinghouse.com">fischega@westinghouse.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached are outputs with these options.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What should I make of these?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Barry Smith <<a href="mailto:bsmith@petsc.dev">bsmith@petsc.dev</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 6, 2021 2:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Fischer, Greg A. via petsc-users <<a href="mailto:petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov">petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Fischer, Greg A. <<a href="mailto:fischega@westinghouse.com">fischega@westinghouse.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [petsc-users] KSPBuildResidual and KSPType compatibility<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What do you get for <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif">-ksp_type ibcgs -ksp_monitor -ksp_monitor_true_residual</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif">with and without -ksp_pc_side right ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 6, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Jed Brown <<a href="mailto:jed@jedbrown.org">jed@jedbrown.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Fischer, Greg A. via petsc-users" <<a href="mailto:petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov">petsc-users@mcs.anl.gov</a>> writes:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello petsc-users,<br>
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I would like to check convergence against the infinity norm, so I defined my own convergence test routine with KSPSetConvergenceTest. (I understand that it may be computationally expensive.)<br>
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I would like to do this with the "ibcgs" method. When I use KSPBuildResidual and calculate the NORM_2 against the output vector, I get a value that differs from the 2-norm that gets passed into the convergence test function. However, when I switch to the "gcr"
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IBCGS uses the preconditioned norm by default while GCR uses the unpreconditioned norm. You can use -ksp_norm_type unpreconditioned or KSPSetNormType() to make IBCGS use unpreconditioned.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is the KSPBuildResidual function only compatible with a subset of the KSPType methods? If I want to evaluate convergence against the infinity norm, do I need to set KSPSetInitialGuessNonzero and continually re-start the solver with a lower
tolerance values until I get a satisfactory value of the infinity norm?<br>
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