<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Zhang, Hong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hongzhang@anl.gov" target="_blank">hongzhang@anl.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Matthew Knepley <<a href="mailto:knepley@gmail.com" target="_blank">knepley@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
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> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Zhang, Hong <<a href="mailto:hongzhang@anl.gov" target="_blank">hongzhang@anl.gov</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Can you elaborate a bit more on your problem?<br>
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>> If your problem is an index-1 DAE, there is no need to use a projection<br>
>> method, and it is perfectly fine to set it up as a DAE in PETSc. For<br>
>> high-index DAEs, you may have to use TSSetPostStep() to implement your own<br>
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Think of it as a measure of singularity of the "mass matrix". Higher<br>
index DAE have more complicated constraints on compatibility of initial<br>
conditions. It's covered in any book or paper on DAEs.<br>
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Both your explanation and Hong's use of the term do not help Gideon (or me) know whether he has an index-1 DAE. There has</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">to be some simple form you can write down so that we can tell.</div>
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<div>This is why we need to learn more about Gideon's problem. It is easy to determine the index if he can write down his problem in a simple form. But it is not that easy the other way round.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>He says</div><div><br></div><div> y' = f(y)</div><div><br></div><div> 0 = g(y)</div><div><br></div>which appears to me to be a Hessenberg index-2 DAE. Is that correct?<br><br> Matt</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>
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