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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Got it. Thanks Matt.<br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      Rongliang<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 04/02/2016 09:18 PM, Rongliang Chen wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/02/2016 09:08 PM, Matthew
        Knepley wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAMYG4G=xB7Qs8xHn2fGURf9ccgVh4bMq9kUJ5JwiPL=e9GjbFg@mail.gmail.com"
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:03 AM,
              Rongliang Chen <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:rl.chen@siat.ac.cn" target="_blank">rl.chen@siat.ac.cn</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                  <div>Hi Matt,<br>
                    <br>
                    Many thanks for your helps. I will change the way
                    that I used for the boundary condition setup.<br>
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              </blockquote>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I will note that we (Barry, Jed, Mark, and I at
                least) have adopted the view that by and large</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>  a) global vectors are for solvers</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>  b) local vectors are for assembly</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>For me, that means local vectors have ghost values
                and boundary conditions, but global vectors</div>
              <div>have them removed. This is how SNES ex12 and ex62 are
                organized.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Does this means that if I want to use the local vector (obtained
      by DMGlobalToLocalBegin and DMGlobalToLocalEnd), I need to reset
      the boundary conditions for the local vector before I use it?<br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      Rongliang<br>
      <br>
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cite="mid:CAMYG4G=xB7Qs8xHn2fGURf9ccgVh4bMq9kUJ5JwiPL=e9GjbFg@mail.gmail.com"
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              <div>  Thanks,</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>     Matt</div>
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                  <div> Best regards,<br>
                    Rongliang
                    <div>
                      <div class="h5"><br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On 04/02/2016 08:49 PM, Matthew Knepley wrote:<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 2, 2016
                              at 7:46 AM, Rongliang Chen <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:rl.chen@siat.ac.cn"
                                  target="_blank">rl.chen@siat.ac.cn</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>But I need to setup the boundary
                                    conditions for the solution vector
                                    X, which is in FormMassTimeStep(). <br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>Make a copy. The solution vector is
                                used in the solver, and you have no idea
                                exactly what it is doing with it.</div>
                              <div>Or put your boundary conditions in
                                the initial guess to SNESSolve().</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>   Matt</div>
                              <div> </div>
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                                  <div> Best regards,<br>
                                    Rongliang<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    On 04/02/2016 08:37 PM, Matthew
                                    Knepley wrote:<br>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat,
                                          Apr 2, 2016 at 7:37 AM,
                                          Rongliang Chen <span
                                            dir="ltr"><<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:rl.chen@siat.ac.cn"
                                              target="_blank">rl.chen@siat.ac.cn</a>></span>
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                              <div>Hi Matt,<br>
                                                <br>
                                                How to check in the
                                                explicit method? This
                                                kind of errors does come
                                                out in the explicit
                                                method. <br>
                                              </div>
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                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>You said "that is I use
                                            the explicit method with the
                                            same function
                                            FormMassTimeStep(), this
                                            error disappeared"</div>
                                          <div> </div>
                                          <blockquote
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                                              <div> What do you mean
                                                "You should never be
                                                changing the input
                                                guess"? Do you mean that
                                                the value of the
                                                solution vector X in
                                                FormFunction are not
                                                allowed to be changed by
                                                the user defined
                                                function?<br>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Yes.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>   Matt</div>
                                          <div> </div>
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                                              text="#000000">
                                              <div> Best regards,<br>
                                                Rongliang<br>
                                                <br>
                                                On 04/02/2016 08:19 PM,
                                                Matthew Knepley wrote:<br>
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                                                      class="gmail_quote">On

                                                      Sat, Apr 2, 2016
                                                      at 7:15 AM,
                                                      Rongliang Chen <span
                                                        dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rl.chen@siat.ac.cn" target="_blank">rl.chen@siat.ac.cn</a>></span>
                                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Hi Matt,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          That's right.
                                                          The
                                                          FormMassTimeStep()
                                                          is inside the
                                                          FormFunction()
                                                          and I call the
                                                          FormFunction()
                                                          in this way:
                                                          SNESSetFunction(user->snes,
                                                          algebra->f,
                                                          FormFunction,
                                                          (void*)user).
                                                          How can I know
                                                          the X is
                                                          read-only or
                                                          not? <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Exactly that
                                                        you get this
                                                        error message,
                                                        and it should be
                                                        in the
                                                        documentation.</div>
                                                      <div> </div>
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                                                          <div> If I do
                                                          not use the
                                                          SNESSolve,
                                                          that is I use
                                                          the explicit
                                                          method with
                                                          the same
                                                          function
                                                          FormMassTimeStep(),
                                                          this error
                                                          disappeared.
                                                          So it seems
                                                          that the
                                                          SNESSolve
                                                          locked the
                                                          vector X. <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Then we need
                                                        to put that
                                                        check in the
                                                        explicit method
                                                        as well. You
                                                        should never be
                                                        changing the
                                                        input guess.</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>  Thanks,</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>    Matt</div>
                                                      <div> </div>
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                                                          text="#000000">
                                                          <div> Best
                                                          regards,<br>
                                                          Rongliang<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 04/02/2016
                                                          07:59 PM,
                                                          Matthew
                                                          Knepley wrote:<br>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Sat, Apr 2,
                                                          2016 at 6:49
                                                          AM, Rongliang
                                                          Chen <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rl.chen@siat.ac.cn" target="_blank">rl.chen@siat.ac.cn</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Hi Dave,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I did not call
                                                          any
                                                          VecGetArrary
                                                          and
                                                          VecGetArraryRead
                                                          in function
                                                          FormMassTimeStepFunction().<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>It looks
                                                          like you have
                                                          a function
                                                          FormMassTimeStep()
                                                          inside your
                                                          FormFunction()
                                                          method. This</div>
                                                          <div>has an
                                                          argument X,
                                                          the solution
                                                          guess, which
                                                          is read-only.
                                                          However, you
                                                          are calling
                                                          DMLocalToGlobal()</div>
                                                          <div>using
                                                          that X, which
                                                          is illegal,
                                                          since its
                                                          read-only. Is
                                                          this right?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>   Matt</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
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                                                          <div> Best
                                                          regards,<br>
                                                          Rongliang<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 04/02/2016
                                                          06:20 PM, Dave
                                                          May wrote:<br>
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                                                          2 April 2016
                                                          at 11:18,
                                                          Rongliang Chen
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rl.chen@siat.ac.cn" target="_blank">rl.chen@siat.ac.cn</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Shri,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks for
                                                          your reply.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Do you mean
                                                          that I need to
                                                          change the
                                                          VecGetArrary()
                                                          in
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/dm/interface/dm.c
                                                          to
                                                          VecGetArrayRead()?<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>No - you
                                                          should change
                                                          it in your
                                                          function
                                                          FormMassTimeStepFunction().<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The input
                                                          vector x
                                                          passed into
                                                          SNESComputeFunction()
                                                          is read only.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          I tried it and
                                                          I got a
                                                          warning when I
                                                          make the
                                                          petsc:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/dm/interface/dm.c:





                                                          In function
                                                          ‘DMLocalToGlobalBegin’:<br>
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/dm/interface/dm.c:1913:5:






                                                          warning:
                                                          passing
                                                          argument 2 of
                                                          ‘VecGetArrayRead’


                                                          from
                                                          incompatible
                                                          pointer type
                                                          [enabled by
                                                          default]<br>
                                                          In file
                                                          included from
/home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/include/petscmat.h:6:0,<br>
                                                          from
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/include/petscdm.h:6,<br>
                                                          from
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/include/petsc/private/dmimpl.h:6,<br>
                                                          from
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/dm/interface/dm.c:1:<br>
                                                          /home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/include/petscvec.h:420:29:






                                                          note: expected
                                                          ‘const
                                                          PetscScalar
                                                          **’ but
                                                          argument is of
                                                          type
                                                          ‘PetscScalar
                                                          **’<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best regards,<br>
                                                          Rongliang<br>
                                                          <br>
---------------------<br>
                                                          Rongliang
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                                                          Professor<br>
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                                                          Engineering
                                                          and Scientific
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                                                          Technology<br>
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 04/02/2016
                                                          05:03 PM,
                                                          Abhyankar,
                                                          Shrirang G.
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Use
                                                          VecGetArrayRead
                                                          instead of
                                                          VecGetArray<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/Vec/VecGetArray"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/petsc-current/docs/manualpages/Vec/VecGetArray</a><br>
                                                          Read.html<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Shri<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          From:
                                                          Rongliang Chen
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                                                          Date:
                                                          Saturday,
                                                          April 2, 2016
                                                          at 3:51 AM<br>
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                                                          "<a
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                                                          Subject:
                                                          [petsc-users]
                                                          Vec is locked
                                                          read only<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Dear All,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          My code got
                                                          the following
                                                          error
                                                          messages, but
                                                          the code works
                                                          well for<br>
                                                          the petsc
                                                          optimized
                                                          version
                                                          (--with-debugging=0).
                                                          Anyone can
                                                          tell me how<br>
                                                          to fix this
                                                          problem?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best regards,<br>
                                                          Rongliang<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR:
                                                          ---------------------
                                                          Error Message<br>
--------------------------------------------------------------<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: Object
                                                          is in wrong
                                                          state<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR:  Vec is
                                                          locked read
                                                          only, argument
                                                          # 1<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: See <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mcs.anl.gov/petsc/documentation/faq.html</a><br>
                                                          for trouble
                                                          shooting.<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: Petsc
                                                          Release
                                                          Version 3.6.3,
                                                          Dec, 03, 2015<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: ./Nwtun
                                                          on a
                                                          64bit-debug
                                                          named rlchen
                                                          by rlchen Sat
                                                          Apr<br>
                                                          2 15:40:32
                                                          2016<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR:
                                                          Configure
                                                          options
                                                          --download-blacs
--download-scalapack<br>
--download-metis
--download-parmetis
--download-exodusii<br>
--download-netcdf
--download-hdf5<br>
--with-mpi-dir=/home/rlchen/soft/Program/mpich2-shared<br>
--with-debugging=1
--download-fblaslapack
--download-chaco<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #1
                                                          VecGetArray()
                                                          line 1646 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/vec/vec/interface/rvector.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #2
                                                          DMLocalToGlobalBegin()
                                                          line 1913 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/dm/interface/dm.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #3
                                                          FormMassTimeStepFunction()
                                                          line 191 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/3D_fluid/FiniteVolumeMethod/PETScCodes/codefor3.6/SetupF<br>
                                                          unctions.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #4
                                                          FormFunction()
                                                          line 46 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/3D_fluid/FiniteVolumeMethod/PETScCodes/codefor3.6/SetupF<br>
                                                          unctions.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #5
                                                          SNESComputeFunction()
                                                          line 2067 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/snes/interface/snes.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #6
                                                          SNESSolve_NEWTONLS()
                                                          line 184 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/snes/impls/ls/ls.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #7
                                                          SNESSolve()
                                                          line 3906 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/petsc-3.6.3/src/snes/interface/snes.c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #8
                                                          SolveTimeDependent()
                                                          line 843 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/3D_fluid/FiniteVolumeMethod/PETScCodes/codefor3.6/Nwtun.<br>
                                                          c<br>
                                                          [0]PETSC
                                                          ERROR: #9
                                                          main() line
                                                          452 in<br>
/home/rlchen/soft/3D_fluid/FiniteVolumeMethod/PETScCodes/codefor3.6/Nwtun.<br>
                                                          c<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <br>
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                                                          clear="all">
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <div>What most
                                                          experimenters
                                                          take for
                                                          granted before
                                                          they begin
                                                          their
                                                          experiments is
                                                          infinitely
                                                          more
                                                          interesting
                                                          than any
                                                          results to
                                                          which their
                                                          experiments
                                                          lead.<br>
                                                          -- Norbert
                                                          Wiener</div>
                                                          </font></span></font></span></div>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          </font></span></div>
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                                                          color="#888888">
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                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          <br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
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                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          </font></span></blockquote>
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                                                          color="#888888">
                                                        </font></span></div>
                                                    <span><font
                                                        color="#888888">
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br clear="all">
                                                        <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <div>What most
                                                          experimenters
                                                          take for
                                                          granted before
                                                          they begin
                                                          their
                                                          experiments is
                                                          infinitely
                                                          more
                                                          interesting
                                                          than any
                                                          results to
                                                          which their
                                                          experiments
                                                          lead.<br>
                                                          -- Norbert
                                                          Wiener</div>
                                                          </font></span></font></span></div>
                                                  <span><font
                                                      color="#888888"> </font></span></div>
                                                <span><font
                                                    color="#888888"> </font></span></blockquote>
                                              <span><font
                                                  color="#888888"> <br>
                                                </font></span></div>
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                                              </font></span></blockquote>
                                          <span><font color="#888888"> </font></span></div>
                                        <span><font color="#888888"> <br>
                                            <br clear="all">
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            -- <br>
                                            <div>What most experimenters
                                              take for granted before
                                              they begin their
                                              experiments is infinitely
                                              more interesting than any
                                              results to which their
                                              experiments lead.<br>
                                              -- Norbert Wiener</div>
                                          </font></span></div>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                              </blockquote>
                            </div>
                            <br>
                            <br clear="all">
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            -- <br>
                            <div>What most experimenters take for
                              granted before they begin their
                              experiments is infinitely more interesting
                              than any results to which their
                              experiments lead.<br>
                              -- Norbert Wiener</div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <br>
            <br clear="all">
            <div><br>
            </div>
            -- <br>
            <div class="gmail_signature">What most experimenters take
              for granted before they begin their experiments is
              infinitely more interesting than any results to which
              their experiments lead.<br>
              -- Norbert Wiener</div>
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