<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>I was unable to do quad precision or even with 64 bit integers because my data files rely on intricate binary files that have been written in 32 bit. <br><br></div>However, I noticed a couple things which are puzzling to me:<br><br></div>1) I am solving a transient problem using my own backward euler function. Basically I call TaoSolve at each time level. What I find strange is that the number of TAO solve iterations vary at each time level for a given number of processors. The solution is roughly the same when I change the number of processors. Any idea why this is happening, or might this have more to do with the job scheduling/compute nodes on my HPC machine?<br><br></div>2) Sometimes, I get Tao Termination reason of -5, and from what I see from the online documentation, it means the number of function evaluations exceeds the maximum number of function evaluations. I only get this at certain time levels, and it also varies when I change the number of processors.<br><br></div>I can understand the number of iterations going down the further in time i go (this is due to the nature of my problem), but I am not sure why the above two observations are happening. Any thoughts?<br><br></div>Thanks,<br></div>Justin<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Justin Chang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jychang48@gmail.com" target="_blank">jychang48@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">My code sort of requires HDF5 so installing quad precision might be a little difficult. I could try to work around this but that might take some effort.<div><br></div><div>In the mean time, is there any other potential explanation or alternative to figuring this out?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Justin<div><div class="h5"><br><div><br>On Thursday, June 18, 2015, Matthew Knepley <<a href="mailto:knepley@gmail.com" target="_blank">knepley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Jason Sarich <span dir="ltr"><<a>jason.sarich@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">BLMVM doesn't use a KSP or preconditioner, it updates using the L-BFGS-B formula</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Then this sounds like a bug, unless one of the constants is partition dependent.</div><div><br></div><div> Matt</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Matthew Knepley <span dir="ltr"><<a>knepley@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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