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 On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5: 44 PM Adrian Croucher <a. croucher@ auckland. ac. nz> wrote: hi Matt, On 7/03/24 2: 55 am, Matthew Knepley wrote: Let's do this. Can you send me a dual porosity mesh, and I will figure out why the stratification
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:44 PM Adrian Croucher <<a href="mailto:a.croucher@auckland.ac.nz">a.croucher@auckland.ac.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

  
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    <p>hi Matt,<br>
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    <div>On 7/03/24 2:55 am, Matthew Knepley
      wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Let's do this. Can you send me a dual
          porosity mesh, and I will figure out why the stratification
          <div>algorithm does not work? I think you can just output the
            Plex as binary or HDF5, but you could</div>
          <div>also give me code that makes one.</div>
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    <p>OK, I've attached an example dual porosity / MINC DM, output
      before the attempted redistribution.</p>
    <p> The original mesh is a vertical column of 11 hexahedral cells.
      Six of the cells (2 - 7) have two levels of interior MINC cells
      added (i.e. an interior cell, and then another interior cell
      inside that). So there are a total of 11 + 2*6 = 23 cells. The DM
      was distributed over two processes.</p>
    <p>For each extra interior face I also create one interior edge and
      one interior vertex. I give the interior vertices arbitrary
      (0,0,0) locations. I assign all the extra interior DM points
      (cells, vertices, faces, edges) cell type
      DM_POLYTOPE_INTERIOR_GHOST.</p>
    <p></p></div></blockquote><div>Okay, here are my first steps</div><div><br></div><div>1. I fixed the problem with repeated stratification</div><div><br></div><div>knepley/fix-da-periodicity *$:/PETSc3/petsc/petsc-dev$ git diff<br>diff --git a/src/dm/impls/plex/plex.c b/src/dm/impls/plex/plex.c<br>index 0ffc372ea08..9d27d308538 100644<br>--- a/src/dm/impls/plex/plex.c<br>+++ b/src/dm/impls/plex/plex.c<br>@@ -4439,6 +4439,7 @@ PetscErrorCode DMPlexStratify(DM dm)<br>   PetscCall(PetscLogEventBegin(DMPLEX_Stratify, dm, 0, 0, 0));<br><br>   // Create depth label<br>+  PetscCall(DMRemoveLabel(dm, "depth", NULL));<br>   PetscCall(DMCreateLabel(dm, "depth"));<br><br>   PetscCall(DMPlexGetDepthLabel(dm, &label));<br></div><div><br></div><div>I put it in an MR: <a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://gitlab.com/petsc/petsc/-/merge_requests/7347__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!akE1sOGj7q57_P3AdMmPLRvCeEmgzsdIGxognMBQWmrcCwBpjPGdMYH9Z9FEokIWKyOyOXJH7cBRBon3iXCi$">https://gitlab.com/petsc/petsc/-/merge_requests/7347</a></div><div><br></div><div>2. I wrote a small program to load the mesh, and then restratify it. It is attached.</div><div><br></div><div>3. I ran stratification on this mesh, but I did not get an error:</div><div><br></div><div>





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<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">DM Object: 1 MPI process</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">DM_0x84000000_0 in 3 dimensions:</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 0-cells per rank: 60 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 1-cells per rank: 104 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 2-cells per rank: 68 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 3-cells per rank: 23 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Labels:</span></p>
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<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">DM_0x84000000_0 in 3 dimensions:</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 0-cells per rank: 60 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 1-cells per rank: 104 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 2-cells per rank: 68 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Number of 3-cells per rank: 23 (12)</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Labels:</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>Cell Sets: 1 strata with value/size (0 (11))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>boundary: 1 strata with value/size (1 (46))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>celltype: 5 strata with value/size (0 (48), 1 (92), 13 (48), 4 (56), 7 (11))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>ghost: 1 strata with value/size (1 (46))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>minc_level: 3 strata with value/size (0 (6), 1 (6), 2 (6))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>minc_rocktype_zone: 1 strata with value/size (1 (6))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>minc_zone: 1 strata with value/size (1 (6))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>open_boundary: 1 strata with value/size (1 (1))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>rock_type: 2 strata with value/size (1 (5), 3 (6))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>source: 2 strata with value/size (0 (1), 1 (1))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>vtk: 1 strata with value/size (1 (11))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>zone_minc: 1 strata with value/size (1 (6))</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1" style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class="gmail-s1" style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>depth: 4 strata with value/size (0 (60), 1 (104), 2 (68), 3 (23))</span></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>- Adrian<br>
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Dr Adrian Croucher
Senior Research Fellow
Department of Engineering Science
Waipapa Taumata Rau / University of Auckland, New Zealand
email: <a href="mailto:a.croucher@auckland.ac.nz" target="_blank">a.croucher@auckland.ac.nz</a>
tel: +64 (0)9 923 4611</pre>
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