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petsc-announce is used so infrequently that I've often found it a little odd that petsc-users isn't just used for the announcements. Perhap we could repurpose petsc-announce somewhat by making it something that users *can* post to, but posts are moderated.
Then we can make sure that job posting announcements fit our guidelines.<br>
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<div>I think we can just send to both petsc-announce and petsc-users. First there are not many such emails. Second, if there are, users should be happy to see that. </div>
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<div> PETSc announce has more people than petsc-users but it is not clear that everyone on petsc-users is on petsc-announce. Everyone should join petsc-announce but they may not. </div>
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<div> We could send them to both with the same label but then many people will get two emails which is annoying. </div>
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<div> Maybe use the labels [PETSc Job opening] and [PETSc Release] to give people an easier filter. </div>
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<div> An approach which is probably not simple is that anything sent to petsc-announce is also sent to everyone on petsc-users who IS NOT on petsc-announce so everyone gets only exactly one copy regardless of whether they are on both or either. </div>
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<div> 1) Maybe we could just manually remove everyone from announce who is in users and make sure that anything sent to announce also gets sent to users.</div>
<div> 2) Or whenever anyone joins users we sign them up for announce automatically and then only send such message to announce (the webpage could indicate you will </div>
<div> automatically also be added to announce. This seems the least painful, but then someone now needs to add to announce everyone who is on users but not</div>
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<div> People could get fancy with filters to get only one copy but that is obnoxious to expect them to do that. </div>
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<div>Since there are not many such emails, I think it is fine to send to petsc-users. And in these emails, we can always add a link to a job section on the petsc website. Once petsc users get used to this, they may go to the website later when they are finding
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Maybe something as simple for petsc-announce
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<div> Subject: [Release] ....</div>
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<div> Then when you send out the most recent job opening you can include in the message something like </div>
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<div> "The PETSc announce mailing list will continue to be low volume. We will now tag each message in the subject line with [Release], [Job opening], or possibly other tags so you can have your mail program filter out messages you are not interested in.</div>
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<div> Thanks for your continued support,"</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I got the second email in less than one month about sending a job opening to the PETSc list.
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<div>1) Should we have some policy about this?</div>
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<div>I think we should encourage it, but in a way that does not produce noise for people. I think there are no other good outlets for computational jobs.</div>
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<div>2) Should we have a section of the website for this?</div>
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<div>I would like something that just selected some petsc-users mail from the archive with a query in the URL.</div>
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<div>3) If we encourage it, should we have a special header for job posts in the mailing list?</div>
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<div>This would facilitate 2).</div>
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