<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Actually this reminds me speaking of package managers, do any of the HPC machines that have petsc modules installed collect any similar analytics? I can’t imagine they don’t internally keep track of this stuff (at least internally) to keep their list of available modules relevant.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 10, 2020, at 17:40, Jacob Faibussowitsch <<a href="mailto:jacob.fai@gmail.com" class="">jacob.fai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><div class=""><span class="" style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> So we could say roughly 3% of brew OpenMPI users use PETSc ? Pretty low. </span></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">If you’re inferring petsc user base through brew packages, I would argue that these aren’t really all that representative save from direct dependency download. So mumps etc likely wouldn’t correlate well since its not listed as a direct dependency for the petsc package. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Theres also the question of whether the counters on the dependencies are even useful to begin with. I suspect it’s probably more common that users clone petsc and then use a combination of package-manager packages and —with-download configure options. </div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 10, 2020, at 17:27, Barry Smith <<a href="mailto:bsmith@petsc.dev" class="">bsmith@petsc.dev</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""> Jacob,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Cool feature,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">$ brew info openmpi</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">open-mpi: stable 4.0.5 (bottled), HEAD</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">High performance message passing library</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="text-decoration: underline ; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><a href="https://www.open-mpi.org/" class="">https://www.open-mpi.org/</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Conflicts with:</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> mpich (because both install MPI compiler wrappers)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Not installed</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">From: </span><span style="text-decoration: underline ; font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><a href="https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/HEAD/Formula/open-mpi.rb" class="">https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/HEAD/Formula/open-mpi.rb</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">License: BSD-3-Clause</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #400bd9" class="">==></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> <b class="">Dependencies</b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">Required: <b class="">gcc </b></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #2fb41d" class=""><b class="">✔</b></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, <b class="">hwloc </b></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #b42419" class=""><b class="">✘</b></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">, <b class="">libevent </b></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #2fb41d" class=""><b class="">✔</b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #400bd9" class="">==></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> <b class="">Options</b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">--HEAD</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Install HEAD version</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #400bd9" class="">==></span><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> <b class="">Analytics</b></span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">install: 24,409 (30 days), 72,362 (90 days), 205,281 (365 days)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">install-on-request: 6,116 (30 days), 17,393 (90 days), 49,467 (365 days)</span></div><div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo;" class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class="">build-error: 0 (30 days)</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> So we could say roughly 3% of brew OpenMPI users use PETSc ? Pretty low. But I'm not surprised, my impression is that the huge bulk of MPI users don't really use MPI based libraries.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> For hypre it is 381/49467 < 1%</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""> For scalapack </span><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class="">1,455/49467 remarkably close to PETSc's number.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> I could not find superlu_dist, trilinos or MUMPs.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> We should push harder on making PETSc available through packaging systems, we can discuss this once we have our Community engagement group going.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""> Barry</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class=""><span style="font-size: 14px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 10, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jacob Faibussowitsch <<a href="mailto:jacob.fai@gmail.com" class="">jacob.fai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I don’t know if gitlab tracks repository clones, but the brew package manager on macOS keeps track of how many people install a package. But I don’t know that this is even remotely representative of the user-base even for macOS…<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">$ brew info petsc</div><div class="">…</div><div class="">install: 142 (30 days), 436 (90 days), 1,554 (365 days)<br class="">install-on-request: 140 (30 days), 412 (90 days), 1,450 (365 days)<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 10, 2020, at 16:29, Zhang, Hong via petsc-dev <<a href="mailto:petsc-dev@mcs.anl.gov" class="">petsc-dev@mcs.anl.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Someone asks about the number of PETSc users. Do we have relevant info?</div><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hong</div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>