<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Karl Rupp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rupp@mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">rupp@mcs.anl.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 02/03/2013 11:25 AM, Sean Farley wrote:<br>
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Matthew Knepley <<a href="mailto:knepley@gmail.com" target="_blank">knepley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Jed Brown <<a href="mailto:jedbrown@mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">jedbrown@mcs.anl.gov</a>> wrote:<br>
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Matthew Knepley <<a href="mailto:knepley@gmail.com" target="_blank">knepley@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Can you quantify your productivity gains that come from pushing<br>
checkpoints instead of waiting for a semantically meaningful point to merge<br>
and push?<br>
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I can quantify the losses from the changed you propose, which is all I<br>
need to do.<br>
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Do share.<br>
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Its more work for me. Clearly you are asking me to do something I do not<br>
currently do. A loss.<br>
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There are no "gains" from a baseline. This is<br>
a point I have made multiple times. Changes must be justified.<br>
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I provided a long list of justifications that you have not responded to.<br>
There is a great deal of empirical evidence to back my claims.<br>
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I have responded to each and every point carefully. You need to listen.<br>
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I have been following this conversation closely but have not seen you<br>
respond to any of the points on code review, new bugs, etc. I have<br>
seen you complain that you don't want to change your habits, though.<br>
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+1 for Sean. I'm tired of carefully writing down the points I'm trying to make, carefully (re-)reading through what I've written, and then just to get a generic 'how does this relate to XYZ'-type of answer without really addressing anything I've raised.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I find it tiring to continually make points that someone does not want to hear, and thus dismissed without recognizing</div><div style>that a point was made.</div><div style><br></div>
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Best regards,<br>
Karli<br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their experiments lead.<br>
-- Norbert Wiener
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