On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Satish Balay <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:balay@mcs.anl.gov">balay@mcs.anl.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Matthew Knepley wrote:<br>
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> > until we move to bitbucket - can you continue to push to petsc.cs.iit<br>
> > - and not bitbucket? [for now - pushes to petsc.cs.iit are<br>
> > automatically pushed to bitbucket]<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> I thought we were switched already :) I cannot understand why we would not<br>
> give up this maintenance burden (and directories is not a good enough<br>
> reason).<br>
<br>
</div>For my part - I generally don't like the way the change is pushed.<br>
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- one prblem => suggest change to a new system [not evaluating all the<br>
features we currently have vs what we loose]<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I thought I did that in several mails. What do you think I have no addressed?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- and I really get annoyed when a problem is pointed out with the new<br>
sytem - and the solution to that is: the current model is workng - but<br>
antique - lets change it to fix for this new system we are pusing<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>By this you mean not having directories? I agree that is a shortcoming. My explicit</div><div>comment was that this is far outweighed by the positives. Everything is a balance,</div>
<div>and here I believe the balance is clearly on the side of BB. You disagree on this</div><div>I see.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Wrt current admin overhead - its not that much. Most of the work is<br>
adding new users [not modifying user keys]. This part of admin work<br>
will is exist with bitbucket.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Every time the user changes keys, we have to do something. I cannot believe Barry</div><div>is not screaming about this maintenance nightmare.</div><div> </div>
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The other systrem admin part is not much. Jsut reboot the machine when<br>
there is a kernel update.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We clearly had this situation this week, and "just reboot" sucks pretty badly.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Also the reliability aspect of such sites is also verblown. I'm sure<br>
some of them had their outages. [maybe not bit bucket - but some of<br>
them do].</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Out outages are more frequent. There is no need to exaggerate. However, I listed</div><div>several improvements in maintenance in addition to uptime.</div><div><br></div><div> Matt</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Satish<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their experiments lead.<br>
-- Norbert Wiener<br>