Can we make this controllable at runtime possibly through an environment variable so that one can toggle between modes without recompiling?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Jim <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Wei-keng Liao <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wkliao@ece.northwestern.edu">wkliao@ece.northwestern.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I agree this suggestion. So, there are three options.<br>
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1. When pnetcdf is built with debug mode (at configure time), we will enable<br>
the consistency checking across all processes. In this case, the error<br>
is considered fatal. For debugging purpose, this should be fine. Note that<br>
the consistency checking may become costly, especially when the number of<br>
processes is large. We do not expect a production pnetcdf to be built with<br>
the debug mode.<br>
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2. When built without debug mode, pnetcdf will only take process 0's inputs and<br>
ignore all others. Also, consistency checking is disabled.<br>
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3. A middle ground: enable consistency checking but only process 0's inputs<br>
are used to define variables, attributes, etc. if inconsistency is detected.<br>
The error is not fatal, but only gives a warning message.<br>
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If these are fine to the pnetcdf community, we will start to implement them.<br><font color="#888888">
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On Jun 15, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Yu-hengTseng wrote:<br>
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Thanks Rob and Wei-keng,<br>
It will be a good idea to make this check as a warming only. In most realistic applications (including Community Atmospheric Model, within CCSM development), it's almost impossible to have the same dimension for the same array variable within different processes. Usually, 1 or 2 shift. Cheers,<br>
Yu-heng Tseng<br>
Department of Atmospheric Sciences<br>
National Taiwan University<br>
No. 1, Sec. 4, Roosevelt Rd, Taipei 106, Taiwan<br>
tel: 886-2-33663918<br>
email: <a href="mailto:yhtseng@as.ntu.edu.tw" target="_blank">yhtseng@as.ntu.edu.tw</a><br>
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Subject: Re: Problem on Blue Gene/P<br>
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For example, when defining a new 2D array variable and the number of<br>
processes is 2, P0 and P1.<br>
The metadata (array dimensions, attributes, etc. in define mode) must<br>
be the same between P0<br>
and P1. If P0 uses 10x10 dimension values and P1 uses 10x11, then this<br>
error message will<br>
appear.<br>
<br>
Wei-keng<br>
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On Jun 15, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Julien Bodart wrote:<br>
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> Thanks everybody for your help.<br>
><br>
> I am afraid I don't get the point "your code is defining netcdf<br>
> variables and attributes in<br>
> a slightly different way on some MPI processes than others"...<br>
> depending on what?<br>
><br>
> Another test I could try is to unable the check made by ncpmi_enddef<br>
> if it is possible, and see which kind of output file I get.<br>
> I don't know if it is possible to do it easily without recompiling<br>
> the library.<br>
><br>
> I will try anyway the binary debugging.<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2009/6/15 Rob Latham<br>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 02:19:33PM +0200, Julien Bodart wrote:<br>
> > While it does not create any problems on small cases, bigger cases<br>
> stop at<br>
> > the ncmpi_enddef call on some files (randomly, even with<br>
> synchronisation in<br>
> > between), saying that there is a mismatch between dimensions.<br>
> After many<br>
> > check it does not seems that there is something wrong with the<br>
> dimensions. I<br>
> > have no idea of how to solve the problem. Did anyone had similar<br>
> problem?<br>
> > Thanks for your help.<br>
><br>
> Hi Julien. Wei-keng is right: I know you've checked carefully, but<br>
> some part of your code is defining netcdf variables and attributes in<br>
> a slightly different way on some MPI processes than others.<br>
><br>
> The main way people debug this is through binary search: comment out<br>
> half of the define-mode portion; if the problem persists, comment out<br>
> half of the remainder, else, try with the other half.<br>
><br>
> You're not the first to encounter this problem. Maybe this could be a<br>
> warning and not an error, and maybe we should just have the define<br>
> mode view as rank 0 sees it be the one that wins if there's a<br>
> discrepancy. I don't know how many people (if any) rely on the<br>
> current behavior to find problems.<br>
><br>
> ==rob<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Rob Latham<br>
> Mathematics and Computer Science Division<br>
> Argonne National Lab, IL USA<br>
><br>
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