[POOL] Argonne Pool League Week #10
Paul
paul at paulanderin.net
Fri Nov 22 16:10:49 CST 2019
I did a quick analysis after Dean sent the proposed change out. Of my last three matchups:
Tim – 72,
Frankie – 108,
Dennis – 89,
Only the matchup with Frankie would have changed. I played him in a 8:2 which would become 7:2 with the new table. In summary, what Paul said.
Paul Lucido
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From: mcs-pool [mcs-pool-bounces at mcs.anl.gov] On Behalf Of Hovland, Paul [hovland at mcs.anl.gov]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 9:36 AM
To: MCS Pool League - Moe
Subject: Re: [POOL] Argonne Pool League Week #10
Captain John / Team Moe:
FWIW, I’m not a fan of completely eliminating 3:1 in the 10-39 bracket. A 3:2 matchup for a 39 handicap versus a 0 handicap seems unfair. Maybe 34-39 should be 3:1.
I’m also not a fan of the shift in the 100+ bracket. I’d like to see some empirical evidence that the X:1 matchups have been won disproportionately by the lower handicap players. I don’t think this is true, at least for the 25-50 handicap players. I’d be okay with introducing a new 130+ or 140+ bracket and using the proposed 100+ bracket there. This would remedy the 150 v 66 and 163 v 76 examples that Dean cites without adversely affecting 122 v 28. Introducing a 130+ or 140+ bracket would also make it easier to introduce some variant of Dean’s proposed rule to handle the 150 v 0 matchups.
In general, I’m worried that our handicap table, which was originally based on a lot of careful analysis (documented in the rule book), has undergone a long sequence of ad hoc adjustments, each intended to remedy one perceived problem but potentially introducing new ones. It might be time to build a new handicap table from scratch. I don’t know whether Ron and the other developers of the original handicap table would be willing to repeat their analysis, based on the current handicap rules and possibly supported by years of empirical data (unfortunately, if a lower handicap player won a 7:1 matchup, we have no way of knowing what would have happened in an 8:2 matchup, but if the higher handicap players are winning at least 50% of such matchups, it wouldn’t matter).
Paul Hovland (don’t blame Lucido for this rant)
From: mcs-pool <mcs-pool-bounces at mcs.anl.gov> on behalf of "Bass, Dean Allen via mcs-pool" <mcs-pool at mcs.anl.gov>
Reply-To: MCS Pool League - Moe <mcs-pool at mcs.anl.gov>
Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 2:06 PM
Cc: "Bass, Dean Allen" <bass at anl.gov>
Subject: [POOL] Argonne Pool League Week #10
Attached are the results from this week.
Standings. In spite of only winning 2 matches, Cue Therapy still has a big lead. The real battles right now are for 2nd and 5th. And even though he didn’t play, John Derby still has the lead in the MVP followed by Dave Stevens. Both are undefeated and only suffer when they don’t play. And of course Kevin Felker is still easily in the running.
End of fall session and the Holiday party. The last week of the session will be December 17th and I would encourage people to bring treats to share. Q will set up a table for us to put the goodies on. We are off Dec 24 and 31 and the Winter/Spring session will start back on Jan 7. Prize money from the fall will be distributed Jan 7.
Revisiting the handicap table. Our handicap table need to be adjusted to reflect the fact there are no longer negative handicaps. At the same time we can look at some races that are probably a little unfair. The proposed new table would create fewer "X to 1" matches and would mostly impact high handicaps versus medium handicaps. For example Kevin Felker(163) v Tim Tyska (76) would go from 7:1 to 8:2 and Dean Bass (150) v Jenny Erdmann (66) would also go from 7:1 to 8:2. Please consider this and I will poll the captains in a couple of weeks.
Current
Handicap Table
Higher HC
Difference
Matchup
Higher HC
Difference
Matchup
< 10
0
-
19
2
:
2
10-39
0
-
10
2
:
2
20
-
up
2
:
1
11
-
29
3
:
2
30
-
up
3
:
1
40-69
0
-
10
3
:
3
100-up
0
-
5
5
:
5
11
-
26
3
:
2
6
-
14
5
:
4
27
-
53
4
:
2
15
-
21
6
:
4
54
-
up
4
:
1
22
-
28
5
:
3
70-99
0
-
6
4
:
4
29
-
36
6
:
3
7
-
18
4
:
3
37
-
46
7
:
3
19
-
29
5
:
3
47
-
56
6
:
2
30
-
39
4
:
2
57
-
62
7
:
2
40
-
48
5
:
2
63
-
82
8
:
2
49
-
68
6
:
2
83
-
101
7
:
1
69
-
88
5
:
1
102
-
106
8
:
1
89
-
up
6
:
1
107
-
up
9
:
1
Proposed
Handicap Table
Higher HC
Difference
Matchup
Higher HC
Difference
Matchup
< 10
0
-
5
2
:
2
10-39
0
-
15
2
:
2
6
-
9
2
:
1
16
-
39
3
:
2
40-69
0
-
12
3
:
3
100-up
0
-
9
5
:
5
13
-
30
3
:
2
10
-
19
5
:
4
31
-
60
4
:
2
20
-
29
6
:
4
61
-
69
4
:
1
30
-
39
6
:
3
70-99
0
-
10
4
:
4
40
-
49
7
:
3
11
-
23
4
:
3
50
-
65
6
:
2
24
-
37
5
:
3
66
-
80
7
:
2
38
-
55
5
:
2
81
-
95
8
:
2
56
-
75
6
:
2
96
-
110
7
:
1
76
-
89
5
:
1
111
-
124
8
:
1
90
-
99
6
:
1
125
-
up
9
:
1
Team
Team Name
Total Wins
Ranking
1
Cue Therapy
34
1
5
Nice Game, 7 Bucks
29
2
6
X-CUE-SES
27
3
3
Bass Ackward
26
4
7
No Sweat
22
5
8
Holdin' Our Own
22
5
4
Nice Rack
20
7
2
The Moe Szyslak Experience
19
8
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