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Hi Jeff,</div>
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Thanks for the details on these DL workloads you're working with. We've had some other users report similar issues with Darshan on workloads like this, e.g.,
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That user has tried bumping up the max records using the config file mechanism, as well as bumped up Darshan's default memory allocation size (by setting DARSHAN_MODMEM env var), with some varying levels of success for different workload sizes. That might give
you some ideas for tuning Darshan for your test cases. <br>
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I think the branch I'm working on that allows for more control over different instrumentation settings will help, but as you can see in the above post I referenced, that still isn't necessarily sufficient to get Darshan working properly with millions of files
to instrument. I still need to sit down and see if I can get a better feel for what's breaking at that sort of scale and if it's something we can easily resolve. If not, we can try to better document our limitations so it's more clear what Darshan can and
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We are happy that users are keeping us in mind for their I/O profiling needs now that Darshan can be made to work in non-MPI contexts, but obviously there are still some growing pains we need to sort out for some workloads. Thanks again for reporting issues
and giving us really helpful feedback!<br>
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<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>Yes, it includes subdirs. You can kind of think of it as a prefix match on the file paths.</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
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<div>One more question. When I specify a directory to exclude, does it include all subdirectories as well?</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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<div>Thanks for the reply. I'm glad you're doing the changes to Darshan. This will have a big impact on profiling DL workloads (I realize that wasn't a focus of Darshan originally, but Darshan has become a victim of it's own success. When people mention 'IO
profiling' then immediately say 'Darshan').</div>
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<div>DL is a tough workload. Let me give you an example. I just ran a pretty simple model with 1.2M parameters. I used the CIFAR-10 data set (collection of images) and ran PyTorch or 100 epochs (not even close to being fully trained). During those 100 epochs,
PyTorch opened 167,076 files. It closed 1,274,000 files (I measured this using the strace output). It also used 1,206 threads. The training code was all Python.</div>
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<div>Tensorflow is better in regard to IO than PyTorch for CIFAR-10. The model only used 555K parameters. For 100 epochs it opened 4,099 files. It closed 3.617 files. It used 350 threads during this time.</div>
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<div>You can see that DL frameworks do a lot of stuff in the name of IO! Being able to track over 100K files is probably not a bad idea (I might go as far as 1M files).</div>
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<div>In the meantime, is there a limit to the number of items you can include using excludes?</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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Hi Jeff,</div>
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Existing Darshan releases do have some hard coded limits that have been increasingly problematic for our users, it seems. The limit you are likely hitting is just that Darshan instrumentation modules do not track more than 1,024 file records currently. This
isn't really tunable in any way, unfortunately.</div>
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You can get a list of files that Darshan did instrument by running darshan-parser with the '--file-list' option. That might give you some more ideas on directories you could potentially exclude to force Darshan to reserve instrumentation resources for other
files, but that may not even be sufficient depending on your workload.<br>
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We do have some functionality we are hoping to have merged in for our next release to help address this issue. In fact, it's available to try out in a branch in our repo if you're really motivated to get this working soon. There are more details here in a PR
on our GitHub: <a href="https://github.com/darshan-hpc/darshan/pull/405" id="x_gmail-m_1040552738000251815gmail-m_5528091281693620561LPlnk476838" target="_blank">
https://github.com/darshan-hpc/darshan/pull/405</a><br>
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Essentially, you can use a config file to control a number of different Darshan settings, including the ability to change the hard coded file maximum from above and to provide regular expressions (rather than just directory names) for files Darshan should
exclude from instrumentation. If you have more specific questions or feedback about this functionality, please let us know.<br>
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Thanks!</div>
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<div>I'm post-processing a darshan file for a Tensorflow training of a simple model (CIFAR-10). The post-processing completes just fine, but I see an error on the first page:</div>
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<div>So I ran darshan-parser on the file and I see the following at the end.</div>
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<div># *******************************************************<br>
# POSIX module data<br>
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# *ERROR*: The POSIX module contains incomplete data!<br>
# This happens when a module runs out of<br>
# memory to store new record data.<br>
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# To avoid this error, consult the darshan-runtime<br>
# documentation and consider setting the<br>
# DARSHAN_EXCLUDE_DIRS environment variable to prevent<br>
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# You can display the (incomplete) data that is<br>
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<div>I have a bunch of file systems excluded: /proc,/etc,/dev,/sys,/snap,/run . <br>
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<div>How can I get a list of files that Darshan tracked? Is there a way to increase the amount of memory?</div>
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<div>Thanks!</div>
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