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    <p>Hi Phil</p>
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    <p>in attach</p>
    <p>dn stands for different names....</p>
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    <p>cheers</p>
    <p>Piero<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 12/02/2020 16:13, Carns, Philip H.
      ha scritto:<br>
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        Ah, great, thank you for the confirmation.</div>
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        In that case it looks like Darshan is instrumenting properly at
        run time, but I think Kevin is on the right track that Darshan's
        heuristics for calculating performance in post processing are
        getting confused for some reason.<br>
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        Probably GPFS is client-side caching aggressively in the single
        client case, but that wouldn't explain why the benchmark output
        reports a much different number than Darshan, though.  They
        should both perceive roughly the same performance; neither the
        benchmark itself nor Darshan know if caching is happening or
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        It's hard to see where the performance heuristic went wrong from
        looking at the log, in large part because the app repeatedly
        opens a file with the same name (there is a clue to this in the
        OPEN counters; the same file name is opened 20 times):</div>
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        <span># WARNING: POSIX_OPENS counter includes both POSIX_FILENOS
          and POSIX_DUPS counts<br>
        </span><span>POSIX 0 6563482044800691889 POSIX_OPENS 20
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        Every time the file is opened (regardless of whether it was
        unlinked in between or not), Darshan keeps adding counters to
        the same record, which are associated with that serial.dat file
        name.  So things like close() timestamps become nonsensical
        because Darshan records when the first close() starts and when
        the last one finishes:</div>
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        <span>[carns@carns-x1-7g Downloads]$ darshan-parser
          benchio_1202.darshan |grep CLOSE<br>
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        <div>POSIX 0 6563482044800691889 POSIX_F_CLOSE_START_TIMESTAMP
4.536853/gpfs/scratch/userinternal/planucar/benchio-master/shared-file/source/benchio_files/serial.dat
          /gpfs/scratch gpfs<br>
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        <div>POSIX 0 6563482044800691889 POSIX_F_CLOSE_END_TIMESTAMP
          43.041987
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        (This doesn't mean there was one close() that took ~40 seconds;
        in this case there were many close() calls and ~40 seconds
        elapsed between the start of the first one and completion of the
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        If it is possible for you to modify the benchmark (as an
        experiment) so that it chooses a new file name on each
        iteration, then I think it would probably disentangle the
        counters enough for us to tell what went wrong.<br>
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        thanks,</div>
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        -Phil<br>
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          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Piero
          LANUCARA <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:p.lanucara@cineca.it"><p.lanucara@cineca.it></a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:47 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Carns, Philip H. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carns@mcs.anl.gov"><carns@mcs.anl.gov></a>; Snyder,
          Shane <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ssnyder@mcs.anl.gov"><ssnyder@mcs.anl.gov></a>; Harms, Kevin
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:harms@alcf.anl.gov"><harms@alcf.anl.gov></a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov">darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov"><darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov></a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Darshan-users] Darshan & EPCC benchio
          different behaviour</font>
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        <p>Hi Phil.....POSIX</p>
        <p>this is a well known benchmark ....you can easily verify it!</p>
        <p><br>
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        <p>by the way it's something like that</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>! Serial write is unconditionally compiled<br>
          subroutine serialwrite(filename, iodata, n1, n2, n3, cartcomm)<br>
          <br>
            character*(*) :: filename<br>
          <br>
            integer :: n1, n2, n3<br>
            double precision, dimension(0:n1+1,0:n2+1,0:n3+1) :: iodata<br>
          <br>
            integer :: cartcomm, ierr, rank, size<br>
            integer, parameter :: iounit = 10<br>
          <br>
            integer :: i<br>
          <br>
            call MPI_Comm_size(cartcomm, size, ierr)<br>
            call MPI_Comm_rank(cartcomm, rank, ierr)<br>
          <br>
          !  Write same amount of data as the parallel write but do it
          all from rank 0<br>
          !  This is just to get a baseline figure for serial IO
          performance - note<br>
          !  that the contents of the file will be differnent from the
          parallel calls<br>
          <br>
            if (rank == 0) then<br>
          <br>
               open(file=filename, unit=iounit, access='stream')<br>
          <br>
               do i = 1, size<br>
                  write(unit=iounit) iodata(1:n1, 1:n2, 1:n3)<br>
               end do<br>
          <br>
               close(iounit)<br>
          <br>
            end if<br>
          <br>
          end subroutine serialwrite<br>
          <br>
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        <p><br>
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        <p>Piero<br>
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        <div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">Il 12/02/2020 14:13, Carns,
          Philip H. ha scritto:<br>
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            In the serial case, is the rank that's doing I/O still using
            MPI-IO, or is it making calls directly to POSIX in that
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            The Darshan log for the serial case doesn't show any MPI-IO
            activity, but I'm not sure if that's accurate, or if it's an
            indication that we missed some instrumentation.</div>
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            thanks,</div>
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            -Phil<br>
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              color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Darshan-users
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                <darshan-users-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov></a> on
              behalf of Piero LANUCARA <a
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                <p.lanucara@cineca.it></a><br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2020 5:29 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Snyder, Shane <a
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                <ssnyder@mcs.anl.gov></a>; Harms, Kevin <a
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              <b>Cc:</b> <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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                darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a> <a
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              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Darshan-users] Darshan & EPCC
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                <div class="x_PlainText">Hi Shane, Kevin<br>
                  <br>
                  thanks for the update.<br>
                  <br>
                  I attached a new upated files (log and pdf) to this
                  email.<br>
                  <br>
                  Also, the log from BENCHIO is attached.<br>
                  <br>
                  thanks again<br>
                  <br>
                  regards<br>
                  <br>
                  Piero<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Il 11/02/2020 20:15, Shane Snyder ha scritto:<br>
                  > Definitely looks like something strange is
                  happening when Darshan is <br>
                  > estimating the time spent in I/O operations (as
                  seen in the very first <br>
                  > figure, observed write time barely even
                  registers) in the serial case, <br>
                  > which it is ultimately used to provide the
                  performance estimate.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > If you could provide them, the raw Darshan logs
                  would be really <br>
                  > helpful. That should make it clear whether it's
                  an instrumentation <br>
                  > issue (i.e., under accounting for time spent in
                  I/O operations at <br>
                  > runtime) or if its an issue with the heuristics
                  in the PDF summary <br>
                  > tool you are using, as Kevin points out. If it's
                  the latter, having an <br>
                  > example log to test modifications to our
                  heuristics would be very <br>
                  > helpful to us.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Thanks,<br>
                  > --Shane<br>
                  ><br>
                  > On 2/11/20 8:36 AM, Harms, Kevin wrote:<br>
                  >> Piero,<br>
                  >><br>
                  >>    the performance estimate is based on
                  heuristics, it's possible the <br>
                  >> 'serial' model is breaking some assumptions
                  about how the I/O is <br>
                  >> done. Is every rank opening the file, but
                  only rank 0 is doing actual <br>
                  >> I/O?<br>
                  >><br>
                  >>    If possible, you could provide the log and
                  we could check to see <br>
                  >> what the counters look like.<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> kevin<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> ________________________________________<br>
                  >> From: Piero LANUCARA <a
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                    <p.lanucara@cineca.it></a><br>
                  >> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:28 AM<br>
                  >> To: Harms, Kevin<br>
                  >> Cc: <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov"
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                    darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a><br>
                  >> Subject: Re: [Darshan-users] Darshan &
                  EPCC benchio different behaviour<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> Hi Kevin<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> first of all thanks for the investigation..I
                  did some futher test and it<br>
                  >> seems like the issue may appear using Fortran
                  (MPI, mainly IntelMPI) <br>
                  >> codes.<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> Is this information useful?<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> regards<br>
                  >> Piero<br>
                  >> Il 07/02/2020 16:07, Harms, Kevin ha scritto:<br>
                  >>> Piero,<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>>     just to confirm, the serial case is
                  still running in parallel, <br>
                  >>> 36 processes, but the I/O is only from
                  rank 0?<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> kevin<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> ________________________________________<br>
                  >>> From: Darshan-users <a
                    class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:darshan-users-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    <darshan-users-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov></a>
                  on <br>
                  >>> behalf of Piero LANUCARA <a
                    class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                    href="mailto:p.lanucara@cineca.it"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    <p.lanucara@cineca.it></a><br>
                  >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 4:56 AM<br>
                  >>> To: <a
                    class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a><br>
                  >>> Subject: Re: [Darshan-users] Darshan
                  & EPCC benchio different behaviour<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> p.s<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> to be more "verbose" I add to the
                  discussion:<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> Darshan output for the "serial" run
                  (serial.pdf)<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> Darshan output for the MPI-IO run
                  (mpiio.pdf)<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> benchio output for "serial" run
                  (serial.out)<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> benchio output for "MPI-IO" run
                  (mpi-io.out)<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> thanks<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> Piero<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> Il 04/02/2020 19:44, Piero LANUCARA ha
                  scritto:<br>
                  >>>> Dear all<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> I'm using Darshan to measure EPCC
                  benchio benchmark<br>
                  >>>> (<a
                    href="https://github.com/EPCCed/benchio"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/EPCCed/benchio</a>)
                  behaviour on a given x86 Tier1<br>
                  >>>> machine.<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> running two benchio tests (MPI-IO and
                  serial) a different behaviour<br>
                  >>>> appear<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> while Darhsan pdf log file is able to
                  recover the estimated time and<br>
                  >>>> bandwidth in the MPI-IO case, the
                  "serial" run is completely<br>
                  >>>> underestimated by Darshan (the time
                  and bandwidth are less/greater<br>
                  >>>> than benchio output).<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> Suggestions are welcomed<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> thanks<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> Piero<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>>
                  _______________________________________________<br>
                  >>>> Darshan-users mailing list<br>
                  >>>> <a
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                    href="mailto:Darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    Darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a><br>
                  >>>> <a
                    href="https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/darshan-users"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/darshan-users</a><br>
                  >>
                  _______________________________________________<br>
                  >> Darshan-users mailing list<br>
                  >> <a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                    href="mailto:Darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    Darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a><br>
                  >> <a
                    href="https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/darshan-users"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/darshan-users</a><br>
                  ><br>
                  > _______________________________________________<br>
                  > Darshan-users mailing list<br>
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                    href="mailto:Darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">
                    Darshan-users@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a><br>
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                    href="https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/darshan-users"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/darshan-users</a><br>
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