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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We are finally getting our project together to upgrade our AG to
HD. This will be a fairly large project for our group, with a total of 6 sites
potentially making the move to HD. Before I submit my recommendation I want to
make sure that everything is current and has a high probability of working
across our group. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I was wondering if there have been any advances since April to
the HDMI vic. In particular, if there have been any advances in supported or recommended
hardware or if it is still the Blackmagic Intensity Pro capture card. Also, if
any more display cards have been tested and utilized besides the Nvidia 9800
cards. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On a related note I have found a nifty little camera <a
href="http://viewbits.com/Indoor-1080i-and-p-Camera-with-HDMI-HD-SDI.html">http://viewbits.com/Indoor-1080i-and-p-Camera-with-HDMI-HD-SDI.html</a>.
I have not been able to find a dealer yet for this camera but I have contacted
viewbits and am waiting on a reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Any input would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Derek Vine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Communication Network Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>DDN Site Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>The University of South Dakota<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Office - 605-677-5042<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#1F497D'>Cell - 605-677-8215<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><a href="dvine@usd.edu"><span style='color:blue'>dvine@usd.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> adhesionmusic@gmail.com
[mailto:adhesionmusic@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Ford<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2009 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Vine, Derek A<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jimmy Miklavcic; ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov; Mike.W.Daley@cs.cardiff.ac.uk;
Nathan Gardiner<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AG-TECH] HDMI VIC system useage on Windows<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi,<br>
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We've been able to send a 720p stream (from a VGA-HDMI scaler) at about
24-25fps on a machine with a dual-core, hyperthreaded 3.46Ghz P4 processor and
2Gig of RAM, which essentially maxes out one of the cores. Trying to view
streams on that machine, however, usually results in some packet loss.<br>
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Mike and Jimmy - what framerate and bitrate were you running at? I'm concerned
since I was only about to get about 11fps when trying to send a 1080i stream;
above that and it tended to choke. The problem is that since this version of
vic is entirely single-threaded, it's always going to be stuck on one core,
which is going to severely limit performance of single instances of vic. I.e.,
sending 3 720p streams might be fine, but sending just a single 1080i stream
could be problematic depending on processor, and the same goes for receiving
many HD streams with a single vic. Jimmy, this is probably why decoding many
streams showed an even 25% processor use. Did you see any packet loss when you
were trying this?<br>
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Derek - using a Decklink is theoretically possible but I'm not sure if it's
guaranteed to be supported right now. Nathan Gardiner from HIT Lab NZ would
know for sure; I'm cc'ing him on this. If you want to play it safe, I would go
with an Intensity card and cameras with HDMI outputs that are switchable
between 720p and 1080i. Also keep in mind that the current version does not
support 1080i at 30fps; I'm going to see what I can do about that soon.<br>
<br>
--Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2009/4/17 Vine, Derek A <<a
href="mailto:Derek.Vine@usd.edu">Derek.Vine@usd.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thank you very much for your input. For a follow-up
question, what cameras are you using? I am considering the Sony EVI-HD1
but I haven't heard of anyone else using them. Plus since they don't have
HDMI I would need to get something from the DeckLink line or a different
manufacturer for the HD-SDI input but I am not sure if VIC will support that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
just don't want to tell them to spend $20k on cameras and capture cards just to
find that they won't work, and we all know how fun an exchange is through a
University system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thank
you again for your input.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>--Derek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jimmy Miklavcic [mailto:<a
href="mailto:jimmy.miklavcic@utah.edu" target="_blank">jimmy.miklavcic@utah.edu</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Fri 4/17/2009 5:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Vine, Derek A<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">ag-tech@mcs.anl.gov</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: HDMI VIC system useage on Windows</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:maroon'>Derek, I recently built a new AG
System with two Core Duo Quad systems. I have three Blackmagic Intensity Pro
cards in the capture machine and a display machine with two Nvidia 9800XT
graphics cards. I tried putting a fourth Intensity pro card in the display
machine but it was a bit much. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:maroon'>On the capture system, we used
the H.264 codec at 720/30p and with three vics, the system was
running above 75% across all four processors. The
display machine, in our case, decoding around 15 incoming streams, all
using H.264 or Mpeg-4, was running around 25% across all four CPUs. We did run
audio on a third machine, 48KHz, stereo. But I don't see any reason for
not running rat on your display machine. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:maroon'>We also discovered the the H.264
consumer service also pick up all the streams but we just ran the HDMI-Vic
manually. We did nothing special with the venue server.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:maroon'>Good luck. If you want to test
your system with mine, let me know.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:maroon'>Jimmy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> -- <br>
Jimmy Miklavcic <br>
Multimedia Specialist <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a
href="mailto:Jimmy.Miklavcic@utah.edu" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Jimmy.Miklavcic@utah.edu</span></a></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:ag-tech-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">ag-tech-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ag-tech-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">ag-tech-bounces@lists.mcs.anl.gov</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vine, Derek A<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 17, 2009 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ag-tech<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AG-TECH] HDMI VIC system useage on Windows</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>For those of you who are or have used the HDMI VIC on Windows, could you
please provide your capture hardware, system specs and the resource usage to
both capture and display? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What I am really getting down to is will a system be able to support three
HD cameras for capture and up to 9 HD streams to display? My plan is to
use 2 workstations each with 2 QC Intel Xeon processors, one for capture and
the other for display and sound.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Finally, do we need to make any special considerations as far as our Venue
Server to support these streams?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Any information that can be provided is greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Derek Vine</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Communication Network Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>The University of South Dakota</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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